Connemara Bloodlines?

[GAEventer]

[QUOTE=WindyIsles;8421919]
If you actually look at the Hideaway lines the thoroughbred came a lot closer - many of the early imports to the country were by Little Heaven (TB). Irish breeders quickly realized there was a market in America for more of a riding pony/horse type - there’s an article I found in the 1970s discussing the booming export market and what each country preferred and it that said that Americans wanted up to height or over and to fill that demand many of the imports early on were by Little Heaven who was introduced to the studbook in the 1950s.

The Americans wanting/favoring over heights is still something that we find today.

So with that breeding coming to the country and the early imports being bred to each other it’s really not uncommon to find American-line Connemaras having 40-60% TB blood in their backbreeding.

I remember being so confused when we imported our ponies when people told me Connemaras were known for being ‘hot’ - it’s not the general temperament of the breed. Though there are a few lines known for being more hot/pro rides in the breed - Dexter Leam Pondi’s line is one.

Pat Lyne’s books are excellent and should be required reading for anyone interested in Connemara bloodlines and history :)[/QUOTE]

I do agree that there are some hot lines, but I don’t know that I’d called the DLP’s a pro-ride, especially since every one of them in Europe is competed by a child rider. My Dexter Leam Pondi colt has been the easiest and most willing purebred that I’ve started.

Quite honestly, if you want the creme de la creme of performance and jumping lines, you are going to have a forward thinking, sometimes quirky, pony. Hot takes a bad connotation. I think those types are better described as sensitive or forward thinking. Some of my GFS’ are actually very mannerly and laid back, (my Intermediate pony is actually a fairly lazy ride) but would not suit a beginner or intermediate rider because they are sensitive to the aids and very intelligent.

[goodpony]

[QUOTE=GAEventer;8422712]
Quite honestly, if you want the creme de la creme of performance and jumping lines, you are going to have a forward thinking, sometimes quirky, pony. Hot takes a bad connotation. I think those types are better described as sensitive or forward thinking. Some of my GFS’ are actually very mannerly and laid back, (my Intermediate pony is actually a fairly lazy ride) but would not suit a beginner or intermediate rider because they are sensitive to the aids and very intelligent.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing regarding some of the temperaments Ive come across–Most of the ponies Ive dealt with personally have been more over-achiever in the extreme. Most are very sharp witted and highly intelligent and because of this I would consider most more sensitive by nature—but not hot. My foundation mare has this personalty but she is far from hot and has never put a foot wrong since she came to me 12 years ago–easiest pony I own to show on the line or under saddle. If you would like her to move over though you just point your finger and she’ll keep moving till you stop pointing. I had another mare sired by Erin Go Braughs full brother and her personality was almost identical–but again never put a foot wrong while she was with me. Both mares are quite lovely to ride as they give 110% every time. I do not think either would be ideal for a nervous or tense rider but put a relaxed/confident rider on them and you can visibly see them go AHHHHHHH.

[jrscomet]

[QUOTE=GAEventer;8422709]
The lines that have consistently produced upper levels horses are Grange Finn Sparrow and Hideaways Erin Go Bragh. Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that you will find a purebred daughter of either of these stallions, at least not younger than teens from Go Bragh and there are only two purebreds still of breeding age by GFS.

Aladdin’s Denver (by Aladdin) has produced some good Prelim - Int horses. I don’t think there are any Adv contenders from that line specifically.

There is a PB filly by Dexter Leam Pondi for sale in Colorado. DLP has won numerous European Championships for the Pony Grand Prix’s and has sired too many Grade A ponies to count. European lines already here on US soil. She is very underpriced.

Importation is very expensive 10 - 12k for the importation alone, and only that low if you’re importing under age 2…[/QUOTE]

Do you have a link to the mare for sale in CO? or a farm website?

[GAEventer]

[QUOTE=jrscomet;8427414]
Do you have a link to the mare for sale in CO? or a farm website?[/QUOTE]

Hope it’s ok to share the link - I am in no way related to the pony. http://www.acps.org/classifieds/9-fillies-3-under/116-dexter-leam-pondi-yearling-fil

[Winding_Down]

Curious. Does anyone have a list of connemara and crosses that have competed above Intermediate Eventing?

[goodpony]

all of these are competing at the international level – Portersize Just a Jiff, Feldale Mouse and Sparrows Nio are the only ones currently competing at 4 star. Im pretty sure that Bantry Bays Dublin qualified for Rolex in 2015 but didnt make an appearance. Portersize Just a Jiff represented Ireland in the Olympics and Feldale Mouse represented Australia in the Oceania Eventing Championships in NZ. Feldale Mouse was also just named Horse of the Year in his country.

Portersize Just a Jiff (Crosskeys Rebel)
Feldale Mouse (Domo Cavallo Praize)
Derron Wood (Templebready Fear Bui)
Tallyho Mystic (Glenormiston Jasper)
Sparrows Nio (Grange Finn Sparrow)
Bantry Bays Dublin (Bantry Bays Archie)
Winnie Wonka (Irish Parks Belfast Bonfire)
OLS Inis Flaith (Templebready Fear Bui)
Roswat Sparrow (Glenayre Mystical Bobby)
Whitefort Sparrow (Damsire Ashfield Bobby Sparrow)
BANTRY BAYS WINSTON (Southridge Duncans Honor)
CLOUGHREAGH CHARLIE (Westside Mirah)

[MuskokaLakesConnemaras]

I’ve a foal coming by Crosskeys Rebel. Will be imported

[goodpony]

Here is the List of Ponies competing Internationally at the end of 2015

Portersize Just a Jiff (Crosskeys Rebel)
Feldale Mouse (Domo Cavallo Praize)
Derron Wood (Templebready Fear Bui)
Tallyho Mystic (Glenormiston Jasper)
Sparrows Nio (Grange Finn Sparrow)
Bantry Bays Dublin (Bantry Bays Archie)
Winnie Wonka (Irish Parks Belfast Bonfire)
OLS Inis Flaith (Templebready Fear Bui)
Roswat Sparrow (Glenayre Mystical Bobby)
Whitefort Sparrow (Damsire Ashfield Bobby Sparrow)
BANTRY BAYS WINSTON (Southridge Duncans Honor)
CLOUGHREAGH CHARLIE (Westside Mirah)

Here is the List of Ponies Competing Internationally at the end of 2014 (WBFSH)

Portersize Just a Jiff (Crosskeys Rebel/Mizen Talent/Mizen Melody)
Feldale Mouse (Domo Cavallo Praize x Zoe/Final Straw)
Sparrows Nio (Grange Finn Sparrow x JB)
Laburnam Ineer (Coosheen Stormboy x Starlit x Cloonisle Cashel)
Winnie Wonka (Irish Parks Bellfast Bonfire x Windsong)
Canopy Grove Damini (Glenormiston Oliver)
Kynynmont Idnelible Irish (Gunsmoke x Kynynmont Arianna x Canal Larinston)
Bantry Bays Doublin (Bantry Bays Archie x Solar Link)
Gloster Boy (Laerkens Cascade Dawn x Ridge Sally x Ardravinna Andy)
Tallyho Mystic Glenormiston Jasper x Snoopy x Unknown)
Cremully Melody (I love you Melody x Creemully Heather x Abbeyleix Owen)
Ganymede Ballywhim An Luan x Court Hawk X Oxford Court)
Providence Park Maxwell (Moxley Duncan)
Zaboomafoo (Gunsmoke)
Klockeen De Rhonan (Vizir Du Ruere x Moonlight Martra x Indra Rebel)
Sommerville Park Pollyanna (Glenormiston Freedom)
Hazel Rock Son (Turlira Robuckcx Smokey Girl x Prince of Theives)

I wrote a blog post about some of the pedigrees as I found the connections to be interesting. Copied and pasted below.

“Of special note are the first two half-breds both carrying 50% Connemara Blood and both competing at the 4**** Level. Also of special note are the Four Stallions mentioned either owned or bred by the late Sue Clarke of Glenormiston Connemara Pony Stud: Domo Cavallo Praize, Glenormiston Oliver, Glenormiston Jasper and Glenormiston Freedom. Of interest, both Glenormiston Jasper and Glenormiston Freedom are full brothers sired by Abbeyleix Finbar and out of the Danish Class 1 Mare Oxenholm Dulcinea (Oxenholm Godot x Inishnee Dun Damsel). Incidentally, Glenormiston Oliver is also a grandson of Oxenholm Godot. Abbeyleix Finbar is a 3/4 brother to the stallion Coosheen Finn through their illustrious mother Finola of Leam. Coosheen Finn is in turn the sire of Grange Finn Sparrow and Grandsire to Bantry Bay Archie.
Another family connection might be drawn from the French Pony (at least I think he is French) Vizir Du Ruere. Vizir Du Ruere is sired by Island Earl and out of the illustrious mare White Granite-making him a full brother To Appolon Pondi as well as a half brother to Dexter Leam Pondi. Apollon Pondi is the damsire of I Love You Melody (who also appears on the list of FEI Ponies below). Interestingly Island Earl is also full brother to a pony called Autumn Sky. Autumn Sky in turn the grandam of Kirtling Haze–mother to Domo Cavallo Praize.”

[GAEventer]

[QUOTE=Winding Down;8428726]
Curious. Does anyone have a list of connemara and crosses that have competed above Intermediate Eventing?[/QUOTE]

In the US:

By Grange Finn Sparrow

Wil’Ya Love Me (Adv/2*)
Meadow Sparrow (Adv/3*)
Nordic Sparrowhawk (Int/2*)
Sparrow’s Owen (Int/1*)
Sparrow’s Nio (Adv/4*)
Windswept (Adv/4*)
Galway Blazer (Adv/3*)
Briar Fox Mundungus (Int/2*)

By Hideaway’s Erin Go Bragh

Take Time (Adv)
Black Point’s Tilly Go Bragh (Adv)
Gaelic Holiday (Adv)

ArdCeltic Art (Int/2)

Ganymede (Int/1*)

Bantry Bay’s Dublin (Adv/3*)

goodpony listed the current list of those on the international rankings. I know Go Bragh and at least two more offspring that went Advanced, I just can’t remember their names.

[one1horse]

I was going to suggest getting in touch with Bantry Bay Farm, they (recently?) stopped breeding, and are selling their broodmares, might be worth checking out. Not sure that they’d have what you want though.

They also had Eliza Farren eventing their competition ponies, so she might be worth getting in touch with too.

[goodpony]

[QUOTE=one1horse;8430697]
I was going to suggest getting in touch with Bantry Bay Farm, they (recently?) stopped breeding, and are selling their broodmares, might be worth checking out. Not sure that they’d have what you want though.

They also had Eliza Farren eventing their competition ponies, so she might be worth getting in touch with too.[/QUOTE]

they had some very nice mares last time I was there (About 2 years ago)–dont recall the breeding on them though and some were by their young stallion.

[jrscomet]

Thank You, I will look into Bantry Bay Farm