We can already post pictures of our pretty ponies here 
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Read about Edward Allen Buck https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ut-court…s/1489852.html
Here he is http://thumbs.mugshots.com/gallery/i…ot.400x800.jpg
I think he’s removed the videos he posted in the past. One was of him hopping a horse, badly, over a cavalletti with chains around its front pasterns , another of him was “riding dressage” very, very, poorly on a lame horse that was absolutely fed up… No wonder he pulled them.
The whole con is pathetic.Anyone who is taken in by this guy needs to do some research.
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Yes I agree with you totally about that group and sorry that you got banned, it’s something I always expect when I post… But I think of it as a challenge 😀
and yes it is of course great to bash whatever in the internet because you can…
so be it…
I was a member of this group briefly. I posted a (very very carefully selected) video and got some helpful feedback from the knowledgeable posters on there.
However. Buck is insane and a lot of the people on that group are just as nuts about ANY BTV… EVER! Clearly no IRL experience training young/green/restarting horses there. I was so tired of seeing the bashing threads every day about BTV that I just quit.
There are better groups on FB for actual dressage discussions, but like another poster pointed out, they are much quieter.
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The Adult Ammie group is quieter than I thought it would be, too. (Or maybe I snoozed it because it was boring?) But I think it is true that discussion groups need opposing views to be interesting enough to stimulate discussion.
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I am a member of both Facebook groups that have been commented on and know some of the participants IRL. Like real life, I choose to listen and temper the information based on their individual backgrounds, success and who they really are. There is positive and negative to all social groups. I have gained useful information from both and choose to ignore or ‘let ride’ the rest. I don’t spend a ton of time of Facebook; so, I don’t really keep up with all the discussions, just those that strike me as worthy of my time to read - sometimes it’s time well spent and other times it’s like sitting on my arse watching a soap opera…we all choose to do things differently and manage our resources (time, energy, etc) the way we each deem is best. I prefer spending my time int he saddle or reading in this type of venue (and there are nutters and good doobies here too) as opposed to facebook, regardless of the group; but, some people whose opinion I do value stick to facebook - hence the decision to peruse both.
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A favorite recent post was this gem. He turned off commenting but only after deleting the multiple posts that pointed out that this is a horse that is on the forehand and not a good example of anything.
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Personally I agree with the recent posts on the page saying it’s inappropriate to share videos of other people for critique - particularly amateurs and juniors. It’s not like there is anything abusive in about 90% of the videos posted there, despite what the comments say. Just because a video is publicly available and you can share it doesn’t mean you should. I am all for people posting videos of themselves and asking for feedback if that’s what they want.
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I saw that one but didn’t read the comments. Wondered if their definition of “correct” dressage doesn’t include being on the bit? A lot of it reminds me of the videos NP posts claiming to show how good he is, when generally they just show no connection, no engagement and no impulsion. Maybe this really is what some people believe “correct” dressage should be?
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Why would anyone believe that “Allen” Buck is qualified to comment on anything related to Dressage or any other type of riding for that matter? He rides horribly and has no experience in Dressage at all.
Peronace rides better than he does and that’s a pretty low bar.
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I got reamed for being one of those modern, abusive dressage riders for pointing out in a bitting group that it was unfair to shred the rider they were shredding since 95% of us in the group would have come right off the back end the second that horse started trotting. Just staying WITH him was an accomplishment, let alone making it pretty. But for some reason these whackjobs think a young, green WB stallion with extreme range of motion is the same as riding their grade QH that thinks it’s dying at anything past a western jog. Come on, folks! I’ve given up on FB groups for that reason. The harshest critics are always the ones who’ve never set foot in a show ring, never actually sat anything with more athleticism than a tranquilized hippo, and can’t tell the difference between leg yield and HP if it bit them on the ass…ets.
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I was a member of that group for a little while, but got bored of the endless slagging cluttering up my Facebook feed, and some of it was really mean-spirited and unfair. Why are you ripping apart amateur riders who are learning? These people aren’t going to ride like Colonel Podhajsky. If they could, they wouldn’t be amateurs, would they?
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I left that group when they started tearing apart Ingrid Klimke. Not that she or anyone is perfect but I have no chance if she’s considered awful and abusive.
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Same. I visit it occasionally to loosen up my neck a little with all that head shaking, and make sure my eyes can still roll up.
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It goes through phases. There will be a couple weeks of great posts with excellent advice, then it will go quiet. Then there will be another week of spam post after spam post and a lot of posts being deleted/users removed. Then it will go quiet again. Then it might have a phase where some newer dressage folk post asking questions, or a bunch of show success posts. It just depends.
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I know it’s hard to look at things from another person’s perspective, but if someone is coming from a much different place they will often see the most successful competitors as abusive, simply because their perspective is so different from the mainstream perspective.
I think they may feel that no one should get a free pass on how they treat their horses just because they win, or because they’re not as hard on their horses as someone else might be.
When I first got in clicker training and learned more about how punishment works I went through a stage where I felt like riding horses using pressure and release was often quite punishing, and that a lot of riding was abusive. I gradually worked my way through that stage, but I am still uncomfortable with a lot of what humans do to horses in the name of sport.
So what I’m saying is that I get why those who would never treat horses the way that Ingrid Klimke treats them, feel that she, and anyone else who events at the higher levels, is at least somewhat abusive to their horses.
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@kande04 yeah I get that. I don’t compete and probably never will. But I don’t wish to sit around and be so negative like some (not all) in that group. It’s just not the type of place I like to hang around.
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I get to know the posters after awhile, and then I know who to read and who to skip.
I think what motivates at least some of the critics is that they’re hoping to raise some consciousness for the sake of the horses. Not that they’re likely to change anyone’s mind right away, but maybe in the future when the planets align and someone starts thinking about what their horse’s experiences might be like, and makes a connection to something they’ve been reading?
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If a system is broken, you don’t fix it by taking the entire thing down. You find the pieces that need to be fixed the most and start there. But Allen Buck wants everything taken down. He must go to bed each night thinking he’s Robin Hood or something.
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I’m quite sure that he realizes he has a petty criminal record of dishonest crime and is trying to pose as someone who knows something about Dressage when he has no credentials whatsoever.
The fact that some people haven’t done their research is his gain , but he knows what he is.
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