Cost of sheath cleaning

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=Sansena;8251762]
FORTHELUVOFALLTHAT’SHOLY…NO!!!

Orvus? Srsly? Go clean your own hoo-haa with Orvus and report back to us how that feels, kay?

No folks. Betadine solution, rinsed well or better yet personal lube. Like KY. But the Walmart brand works just as well. On 4x4 gauze dipped in CLEAN warm water from a bucket.

And, you’ll continue to use Ace on stallions until you have to spend weeks/ months massaging and treating an erection that won’t go away. It absolutely DOES happen.[/QUOTE]

I am not usually given to being snarky, but “FORTHELUVOFALLTHAT’SHOLY” who made you the authority on all things horse.

“Go clean your own hoo-haa with Orvus and report back”

Well, having checked the profile of each person that has commented. Only 3 give a link to their home page appear to be female. The other 35+ commenters give little to no background information or gender. Which for whatever reason is the norm when I check someone’s profile to see how much value I should give to their comments. Not that I dismiss anyone because they don’t.

I give a link to everything there is to know about my horse background and my gender. I’ll take a chance and say I look to be the only male on this thread. So I can speak with a bit more authority having a “hoo-haa”.

I have used Orvus on my “hoo-haa” and I am reporting back. Extremely mild and none irritating

And I have used Dawn. Prefer Dawn in cool weather it remains a liquid and is easier to work with.

Are you sure someone didn’t give Viagra by accident? What you speak of is extremely rare and for a slightly different reasons. What I spoke of is just the opposite.

“At the 2009 American Association of Equine Practitioners convention, held Dec. 5-9 in Las Vegas, Nev.
“In Dr. Hubbell’s survey, about two-thirds of the veterinarians surveyed said they use acepromazine on male horses,” noted Matthews. She added that a survey of American College of Veterinary Anesthesiologists members found that the majority use acepromazine in male horses, and 5% recalled at least one case with transient penile prolapse lasting more than 12 hours.”

So, it seems what your experienced was an extreme abnormality. Fair enough but no reason to make people paranoid and or to think your “case” is the norm instead of an extreme exception.

The research clearly contradicts. I have cited only one of numerous articles on the subject. My experience is based on conversations with numerous vets over the years. And use of Ace on LOTS of colts and horses.

As always to each their own on these things.

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=Hunter’s Rest;6351265]
Good lord. I’m in the wrong business.
I did 4 today, by myself, in 20 minutes. Tomorrow I’ll have a holder/helper so I’ll do more - and do the ones that aren’t as easy.
For gosh sakes - its not rocket science. And it doesn’t take water, cold or otherwise. Use Excalibur (of course you rinse with a bit of water, but I use lukewarm, with a small tack sponge.)
Only 1 of mine (of 20) even needs a foot held up (which is a good way to help a horse be still while you clean.) (Of course we’re talking minor protest, not major. Obviously meds needed if a major protest.)
Try it yourself with help someday. It’s really quite simple, and fast, and free.[/QUOTE]

“Good lord. I’m in the wrong business.”

LOL, I was thinking the same thing! Low over head all that’s needed is a car, a bucket, some soap, a few other low cost basics and you’re in business.

It’s not rocket science.

Geez, people give me a hard time charging $50 per day to break/start one of their field raised brats.

[Frog_Pond]

[QUOTE=gumtree;8252527]
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I have used Orvus on my “hoo-haa” and I am reporting back. Extremely mild and none irritating

And I have used Dawn. Prefer Dawn in cool weather it remains a liquid and is easier to work with. [/QUOTE]
Thank you, gumtree, for going the extra mile and product testing :lol:.

My old Standardbred who needs frequent sheath cleaning is doing best with a KY + baby wipe regimen, and now he has an infected horse fly bite that he’s kicked into a nice big welt on the edge of his sheet, so there’s a lot of ointment involved, too. His hygiene is great – mine is suffering, since I am now lightly spritzed with these three gooey substances each evening. :no:

OP, these vet prices are, like almost all $$ discussions on COTH, very dependent on your region. Farm call + sedation + cleaning by my vet would be at least $180, maybe a bit more. If my horse was trying to kill me for doing it, it’d be worth it.

[Sansena]

Have worked in horse hospital 3+ yrs. In that time I saw three cases of erections due to ace. Take from that what you will

In so far as not having a penis and using common sense on sheath cleaning… YMMV of course

It’s a detergent. Again. Take from that what you will

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=Sansena;8252689]
Have worked in horse hospital 3+ yrs. In that time I saw three cases of erections due to ace. Take from that what you will

In so far as not having a penis and using common sense on sheath cleaning… YMMV of course

It’s a detergent. Again. Take from that what you will[/QUOTE]

I am not trying to “validate” my comments nor disprove yours. The “rule of averages”, “the odd” are part of everyday living. I do not live my life or care for my and clients horses or run my horse business by the “exceptions” even less so the “extreme exceptions”.

“YMMV” is a fair point. (Had to look that acronym up) “I saw three cases of erections (priapism) due to ace” peaked my interest so I did a little more research while eating lunch. Several articles stated the odds being 1 in 10,000. Not throwing anybody under the bus, 3 cases in 3 years suggest something else may have been going on based on the odds.

The following is from another article;

“The risk of priapism, whilst potentially devastating for the animal, is low but should be considered when deciding on the use of acepromazine in male horses, especially stallions. The benefits of acepromazine use, especially for anesthesia, are likely to outweigh the risks in the majority of cases, however, and we routinely administer acepromazine, albeit with caution and at a lower dose, to intact males”.

As to using a “detergent” the following is taken from a couple out of numerous articles for the use of Dawn. Been told the same by vets. It is very gentle but extremely effective “breaking down” the “gunk”

[I]For 32 years, the International Bird Rescue Research Center has had a surprise weapon in the battle against the oil: Dawn dishwashing detergent.

The “tough on grease” dish detergent, commonly found at kitchen sinks across America, is used by animal rescue and rehabilitation teams to help gently remove oil from feathers, fur, and skin of oil-soaked critters.[/I]

I usually don’t bother to “debate” most comments. Especially when it comes to “care and feeding” a lot of things are VERY subjective.

Nothing personal you made a very “strong” statement based using an “extreme” exception. Even more so with 3. Just about EVERY medication has its side effects. Human or horse. For the vast majority the benefits way out weigh the draw backs. Again the chances of a horse suffering from priapism is 1-10,000.

Not pointing this out does a disservice to the many people who read this thread. And can make a Vets’ “life” a bit more of a hassle when a client gives them grief for using Ace because of what they read by an “anonymous” poster.

That being said, and knowing Murphy’s Law the next time I give some Ace I am going to be wondering is this going to be the “1” in the 10,000.

I’ll take my chances. If you make your living with horses you always have to feel “lucky”.

[gumtree]

[QUOTE=Frog Pond;8252603]
Thank you, gumtree, for going the extra mile and product testing [/QUOTE]

Your welcome. It really wasn’t by choice. Was at a horse show, got an invite to do something after a long hot day that I wasn’t really planning on other than going home. Desperately needed a shower. No “facility” at the show other than for horses, no “people soap” but plenty of Orvus.

So, it was an unbiased, unpaid “review” Personally I prefer Irish Spring and now keep a bar in my car/truck. Orvis has a nice smell but a scent that is associated with a clean horse not a clean person. I think my date thought the same.

[GallopHer]

My vet - who has very reasonable pricing - charges $55 for sheath cleaning with sedation.

[Ghazzu]

[QUOTE=gumtree;8251686]
Ace and “limp d**K syndrome” is one of those “horse myths” that has been around for years. I have a lot of experience using Ace on colts and geldings. Have never had one drop let alone left it hanging after the fact. One of the leading vets I use, the go to vet for one of the leading racehorse trainers in the country said the same thing. He uses Ace with permission on many extremely well bred colts with high dollar stallion value.

.[/QUOTE]

It does happen, albeit rarely. Was more common with an earlier phenothiazine-derived tranquilizer,and is likely somewhat dose-dependent, but my feeling is that, if there are other options, why risk it w/ a stallion?

Especially since it is documented in the literature. It would be a difficult decision to defend in a lawsuit, which would not be a surprising sequel in a valuable insured animal.

[Sansena]

Thanks Ghazzu.

Gum… did you pull a bean out of your urethra with that Orvus? And, there’s no surprise SLS free soaps are so prevalent today.