If you kill a coyote and it happens to be the alpha female of the area, then all the other subordinate females will start breeding and you will be overrun with coyotes.
How typical, if it’s in our way let’s kill it. From human to animal. This is the reason why scientists belive humans will become extinct in the not too distant future. We have become far too ‘successful’ for our own good.
I have three large dogs- Doberman, Rottweiler & large Lab, all 100+ lbs, plus a Corgi. I see very few coyote around here and it’s probably due to the dogs. My barn cats slept in the tack room and were well fed so they weren’t out at night hunting for food. They would hunt in the day for fun and we never had a mouse or mole problem. I’ve lived here 11 years and never lost a cat. My barn cats were 11-12 yrs old when they passed away from old age-related illnesses.
I agree that the coyote were here first, however… Our area has no limit or set season on coyote as they are so numerous with virtually no natural predators in our area. I did have two county sheriffs hunting my property for some time and their presence seemed to keep the wildlife in check. I figured that it’s their job to hit their target and they were very respectful of my place.
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What do you expect? They are wild animals and they were here first
Amen. This thread just showcases the ignorant way in which most humans view any animal that isn’t their own cute and fuzzy pet. If we like the taste of it, we confine it, torture it and eat it. If it lives where we want to live, we clear it out. If it eats what we like to eat, we demolish it. If it bothers us in any way at all, we want to immediately kill as many of that species as we can. I really is a sad world we live in.
And there is something weird about the fact that humans have this strange aversion to any close relative of the very pets and domestic animals we keep. Anyone else notice this?[/QUOTE]
It never ceases to amaze me how people will vilify something they can not “have” or can not understand!
People will revere wild horses yet can not stand the site of a wild hog or coyote.
Losing cats or dogs - LOCK THEM UP! Watch them! Don’t just turn them loose and leave - what do you expect? You put me in a room with a big chocolate cake, knives forks etc and say help yourself what would you expect? To a coyote it’s the same thing! The smart ones will survive the dumb ones will persih - it’s called survival!
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Woodland, when I read your comments, I thought I might need to give more background info for you to understand where I’m coming from:
Did I mention I can be on Michigan Ave. in Chicago in 30 min.? I don’t live on the outlying edge of sprawl, but rather in the thick of it. The coyotes are definitely moving into the urban areas here – last year one ran inside a Subway restaurant located in the loop (the heart of skyscraper-ville Chicago).
And, I took a little offense (I admit) to the tone of your second quote. Seriously. I wasn’t upset. If you look back, I was unnerved. Unnerved because the coyote was big and 2 blocks from my child’s preschool, and 1/2 mile from my backyard where my 8 mos. old baby girl plays. Unnerved because rather than a wild animal’s typical cautious attitude around humans - he was downright bold and unafraid. It was unnerving. My dislike to him was instantaneous – and so strong that I could’ve pulled the trigger myself. Which, honestly, was surprising to me. Though I’m sure there is a little primitive, mamma bear protecting her family and “the dingo ate my baby” thing going on.[/QUOTE]
“the dingo ate my baby” - seriously 
You are over reacting! A dingo and a coyote are NOT the same! Not at all!!!
I grew up in Glen Ellyn. I now live less than an hour from lake Michigan/Chicago.
Growing up in the 'burbs left me ignorant to wild life and hunting and farming and rural living.
Instead of freaking out I learned to wonder again. To be amazed by God’s incredible world. To soak up and try to live in harmony with this planet. We humans - silly silly unaware under educated humans always trying to change this world instead of trying to live in it and enjoy it!
A coyote is a harmless opportunist. If you leave him a meal tethered to a chain in your yard unattended he will enjoy it.
If you are leaving your small babies alone and unattended in your yard your are inviting a lot of trouble - I doubt it will come in the form of a coyote - unless it is a coyote from Navajo folk lore in which a coyote is a changeling or witch. But a kidnapper or a pit bull or ants or bees could cause trouble and are far more realistic in your area than a coyote “attack”!
Be offended! I am always offended by people who wish to destroy all they do not understand!
Oh dear Woodland. You have made me laugh today. I thank you because I needed it. I think it’s obvious by now that we don’t see eye to eye on this – I would never keep a pet wild animal - thinking instead that it belongs in the wild. So we shall have to agree to disagree and rejoice in the variety of life.
But…
Please see http://www.printculture.com/item-187.html so you can understand my tongue in cheek reference to a common pop culture saying.
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If you are leaving your small babies alone and unattended in your yard your are inviting a lot of trouble - I doubt it will come in the form of a coyote - unless it is a coyote from Navajo folk lore in which a coyote is a changeling or witch. But a kidnapper or a pit bull or ants or bees could cause trouble and are far more realistic in your area than a coyote “attack”!
Be offended! I am always offended by people who wish to destroy all they do not understand![/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: I’d put in more laughing icons but darn it, I forgot and left my baby alone in the yard again and I think I see a kidnapper with his pitbull coming down the street. I’m not worried about the ants and bees. I already destroyed them. (Again, this is a joke.)
Don’t worry. I’m no longer offended by you. You’re a funny person!
To keep this post on subject - I do think it’s ironic that this coyote thread is posted in a Hunting Forum and some of the people are taking offense to the concept of killing one.
My personal thought, and this is just an opinion - is that when things are in balance all is well. That when things are out of balance is when the problems arise. So, perhaps for the folk who say “Coyote here dont’ attack livestock and I expect them to be here because I moved out to the country” then all is well. There appears to be a balance.
Conversely, when there are too many coyote it can be a problem. Here are my 2 personal examples:
When I lived in FL (waaaayy out in the country) there was an large number of foals being killed by coyote. My best friend worked for one farm that bred some top race horses - the woman who owned the farm hired hunters to come out because the coyote were such a problem. 40 coyote were killed on one farm, albeit a very large farm. It’s no wonder they had moved on from rabbits and mice to expensive foals.
During the same time period, my boss at the time woke up one morning to his 2 goats in the pasture being killed by coyote. His yelling, and pot-clanging didn’t deter them and he watched the goats get ripped apart. He lived in a popular mini-farm area. (The funny part to this story is that he was such a wishy-washy man, with no backbone and there he is on the porch clanging pots with his yorkie yapping away trying to scare the coyotes.)
My personal thought, and this is just an opinion - is that when things are in balance all is well. That when things are out of balance is when the problems arise. So, perhaps for the folk who say “Coyote here dont’ attack livestock and I expect them to be here because I moved out to the country” then all is well. There appears to be a balance.
Let me tell you something , the world was in a MUCH greater state of balance before we ever arrived. The more we meddle in it, the worse it has gotten. Now we find ourselves faced with the reality that we may actually have damaged the earth beyond repair. But then, what an arrogant thing to assume, that we humans really have not only the right to rearrange the earth and all of its contents as we see fit, but that we can actually do a better job than nature itself. Unreal.
And yes, this is a hunting forum…now I know why I rarely venture over here. Very depressing.
When I lived in FL (waaaayy out in the country) there was an large number of foals being killed by coyote. My best friend worked for one farm that bred some top race horses - the woman who owned the farm hired hunters to come out because the coyote were such a problem. 40 coyote were killed on one farm, albeit a very large farm. It’s no wonder they had moved on from rabbits and mice to expensive foals.
Honestly, I would have to see it to believe it. But at the same time, what kind of moron raises expensive foals and can’t figure out how to fence to keep the coyotes out? Again, there are really simple solutions to these kinds of “problems”…ie such things as diamond V or no climb fencing. We’ve had it here for our mares and new foals for years, though not to keep out the coyotes, but in the chance that a stray dog may wander in (never has happened, but why chance it?). I bet money that in most cases, these are the same people that keep their foals in wire fencing.
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If you kill a coyote and it happens to be the alpha female of the area, then all the other subordinate females will start breeding and you will be overrun with coyotes.
How typical, if it’s in our way let’s kill it. From human to animal. This is the reason why scientists belive humans will become extinct in the not too distant future. We have become far too ‘successful’ for our own good.[/QUOTE]
I don’t understand this sentiment. You do know that animals kill other animals? That to live is to kill (plants just can’t scream). I just quoted Alan Watts. Hmmmm.
great day in the morning people
I didn’t say “kill all the coyote”. I said, they have nothing to keep them in check around here and they are eating things that I would prefer not be on their menu, there are too many of them to be safe for small domestic pets and small livestock.
Personally, I believe there are too many humans and some of them are so dangerous they should be exterminated as well.
But nobody asked me.
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I have three large dogs- Doberman, Rottweiler & large Lab, all 100+ lbs, plus a Corgi. I see very few coyote around here and it’s probably due to the dogs. My barn cats slept in the tack room and were well fed so they weren’t out at night hunting for food. They would hunt in the day for fun and we never had a mouse or mole problem. I’ve lived here 11 years and never lost a cat. My barn cats were 11-12 yrs old when they passed away from old age-related illnesses.
I agree that the coyote were here first, however… Our area has no limit or set season on coyote as they are so numerous with virtually no natural predators in our area. I did have two county sheriffs hunting my property for some time and their presence seemed to keep the wildlife in check. I figured that it’s their job to hit their target and they were very respectful of my place.[/QUOTE]
I see this statement that “they were here first” many times and it is not correct.
From the official VDGIF docs on the subject:
“HISTORY OF THE COYOTE IN VIRGINIA: The coyote is not a
native species of Virginia, and was first observed in the very western
regions of the Commonwealth in the early 1950s.”
Even if they were here first, the hell with it.
If we are going to use that as a measure of what we do, we should pack up and go back to England and let the Indians have it back.
CSSJR
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There is absolutely no scientific data to support your assertion. The world, and the plant and animal population, have changed constantly over the hundreds of millennia. Species evolve, new species appear, species go extinct. Been happening, will continue to happen.
No question humans affect things- have accounted for lots of species extinction. But, lots of species have gone extinct without any human intervention (think dinosaurs) and to put it bluntly, there’s not enough data out there to tell whether more species have gone extinct due to human activity in comparison to non-human and pre-human numbers.
Sorry to hear that hunting depresses you, I think it’s truly a wonderful way to put food on the table as well as eliminate problem animals and rescue lost humans (tracking is nothing more than a form of hunting). A very natural occurrence on this planet. By humans, coyotes, foxes, mountain lions, lions, tigers, birds of prey well, not enough space here to list them all.
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And yes, this is a hunting forum…now I know why I rarely venture over here. Very depressing.[/QUOTE]
That’s because you know absolutely nothing about hunting.
The reason we have any natural areas and wildlife left at all is because of sportsmen - in the US and Canada.
Sportsmen created the North American Wildlife Conservation Model, the “Seven Sisters” and we are responsible for almost all conservation work done in the United States and Canada for the past 100 years.
You like wildlife? Thank a hunter.
Don’t believe me? Here is a very basic outline of the model and who created it.
http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/HuntersConservation/
Don’t believe me? Google the term. Then google “Federal Aid in Wildlife Conservation 1937” - though that is a US program, Canada benefits as well.
We didn’t create it so we could kill everything. It was created because people like Theodore Roosevelt saw how unregulated use of natural resources, market gunners, and other abuses were destroying the natural world.
This model exists no where else on earth, Donella. American hunters created it to preserve wildlife and nature for ALL to enjoy and appreciate - whether or not they hunt.
No need to be depressed at all.
But you might try and show some good manners and thank a hunter.
And you know what else, Donella? The people on this thread that advocated killing coyote are NOT hunters. In fact, one of them is an avowed animal rights activist.
Not to panic folks…but seeing coyote living within a short commute to a city is normal. There are coyotes in most major cities. :yes: They’re filmed often on traffic cameras.
Coyotes show up anywhere that’s coyote friendly…easy food, no competition for that food. That’s their criteria for a new home.
So outside small pets not contained mean eventually you’ll get coyotes. Or raccoons. Oppossums. Fishers. Etc.
Your property lines are not visible to wildlife. Leave easy food out, they WILL come. Learn to live in the country…then a lot less worry about them being a bother. Contain small animals, stop leaving food out everywhere, etc.
If you run around in the woods long enough wearing a hamburger suit, you will eventually get eaten by a bear. Same with your property and small animals. 
FWIW…there’s a bit of hysteria and misinformation on here regarding coyotes. I’ve rehabbed them for decades…they really are not the Debil Incarnate.
MB -
I don’t mind coyote and would only kill one if it was actively preying on my livestock. Also don’t mind the bears or any other animal that visits or hangs around. We have had problems with predation but I think farmers are changing their management methods and it’s been much reduced. Time will tell.
I get pretty ticked off by the ignorance of people when it comes to hunting, though. We’re not out there destroying the natural world - we’re responsible for its continued conservation.
We’re a small percentage of the population and yet our license and tax revenue STILL fund almost all conservation work in the US - including restoration of habitat, scientific research, and reintroducing extirpated species.
The melodramatic comments about being “depressed” are just plain ridiculous. If a person wants to be depressed - just drive by any new housing development under construction.
Hunters aren’t destroying anything. We’re horrified by the sprawl, pollution and paving of habitat. If we didn’t enjoy nature and the outdoors, we’d not care and just sit at home playing video games.
Nature is cruel. Mankind has already changed the dynamics of the countryside. Sometimes it is necessary to kill wild animals in order to protect our domestic animals. My cats live indoors. My dogs are in a fenced yard when they go outside, mostly they live inside except to go out to go to the bathroom or bark at the neighbor’s dog. I board in coyote country altho the coyotes have not arrived at home yet.
However, if a gator gets over my 6 foot fence or under it, the gator is going to die. Ditto when the coyotes arrive here, they are already to I95 some 15 miles away. I woud prefer that coyotes only eat armadillos or field mice, but when they choose to eat cats and dogs in suburbia, as in California, then they cannot co-exist with humans.
I think there has to be some balance between not killing any varmints and protecting domestic pets.
“Wild” is the operative word.
They are supposed to be wild and stay wild. Supposed to be man shy.
Let them eat your cat and they get too close to you and yours.
Shoot a few and the remaining get man shy, as they are supposed to be.
CSSJR
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