[QUOTE=doublesstable;5395670]
Is it a full calf? It does look a lot flatter and it doesn’t have the stitching (trim).
Now I am curious. I am going to call my rep today and ask… I also need more of their conditioner - that stuff is awesome![/QUOTE] No, it is calf/grain. My last one was full calf (and did have all the stitching), and I didn’t like it as much as the grain- flap was much too thick.
DoubleS - yours looks exactly like my SE02 full calf that I passed onto my daughter. Has that stitching etc. Is yours not stamped either SE01 or SE02? I’m a bit confused too as some of the ones I’ve been looking at while shopping have neither stamp on them, the serial numbers just start with the size numbers etc that follow the SE02 on mine.
I did meet with the cwd rep up here at a show a while ago and he also referred to the SE02 as the “half deep” like the website.
Arghh! I’ve found one with everything I’m looking for - full calf, right size and right flap but it’s an 01 and a long ways away and lots of money and I really don’t know what to do, ugh! Husband is not into me springing for a brand new one and I’m feeling like I will never find the SE02 with all the other specs I need. Gonna be saddleless for show season 
not to hijack this thread too badly…but what does a new CWD run these days?
Is there any way you can arrange to demo an SE01 so you can get a feel for it? As you can see, its not pancake flat, you might like it as well or even better than the SE02.
Or just buy it with the plan of reselling if you don’t like it since its exactly what you are looking for in every other way other than the seat?
I haven’t seen any recent prices but depending on the leather (grain, calf or buffalo) probably between $3,800 - $5,000 give or take a few hundred.
Full buffalo is the most expensive but you can get various configurations, for example I have calf seat but grain flaps. I’m not a fan of either full calf or buffalo but they are more popular and also more expensive.
wanderlust… mine looks a lot like yours… really flat in the back but mine is A LOT more pommel high then yours is. Mine never “dropped” like they said it would… i post uphill. i would like mine to look like doublestables though. I need mine built up more in the back because of his wither… ughhh. its getting shipped back today… i hope it comes back looking much better with the new panels. doublestable, do you have a picture of what yours looks like on your horse? i think we have the same rep, carrie? but it used to be danielle right?
[QUOTE=tallygirl;5395835]
wanderlust… mine looks a lot like yours… really flat in the back but mine is A LOT more pommel high then yours is. Mine never “dropped” like they said it would… i post uphill. i would like mine to look like doublestables though. I need mine built up more in the back because of his wither… ughhh. its getting shipped back today… i hope it comes back looking much better with the new panels. doublestable, do you have a picture of what yours looks like on your horse? i think we have the same rep, carrie? but it used to be danielle right?[/QUOTE] Mine took an ungodly long time to “drop”. Rep said give it a couple of weeks, it took closer to 2 months, riding 3-4 horses in it a day. Didn’t have this issue with the other two, they just fit right out of the box. Including one that was made for a horse like yours- high withers, giant shoulder, flat back.
I did get one that was pommel-high, hard as a rock and with very strange balance. Fit the horse fine, but it was dubbed “the crotch-killer” by everyone who rode in it, and was sent back for a new one no questions asked as the rep for that one was a good friend, and I made her sit in it.
[QUOTE=KateKat;5395780]
not to hijack this thread too badly…but what does a new CWD run these days?[/QUOTE]
I think a new grain/calf is $4150, but don’t quote me on it. Could be more, definitely isn’t less.
[QUOTE=doublesstable;5391020]
Maybe the seat on mine looks deeper because of the horse it was fitted to?? As you can see how flippin’ thick it is in the back. (under the seat)
Both of my mounts have low backs and high “big” shoulders. They both have a 3 inch spine (they were both suppose to be Dressage horses) :lol: And good thing the saddle fits both of them… Yay.[/QUOTE]
This is why your saddle is more “built up” in the back. CWD makes two types of panels. Referred to as pro panels, they are integrated to the flaps on the underside. The first set of pro panels is flatter, and tends to fit wide backed warmbloods better. This is the standard panel style as it fits most horses. The second style is angled, and fits TB types better.
Doublesstable, I would bet that you have the angled panels. My saddle will have these panels as well when it comes.
Murph- I would also suggest that you have a rep come out with an SE01 and SE02. Also clear the serial code with CWD as there is a code for the angled vs flat panels. If the flat panels fit your horse, I would avoid the angled panels.
You may find that the SE01 is ok for you. I have a friend that has an SE01 with grain flaps and she does Grand Prixs on a horse that jumps out of her skin.
As for the grain calf, this is pretty high quality leather, and if you take care of it correctly, it should never get slippery. The CWD conditioner, Beval’s Akene conditioner, and any glycerine based soap will preserve that grippiness.
[QUOTE=Rhody Ram;5396016]
This is why your saddle is more “built up” in the back. CWD makes two types of panels. Referred to as pro panels, they are integrated to the flaps on the underside. The first set of pro panels is flatter, and tends to fit wide backed warmbloods better. This is the standard panel style as it fits most horses. The second style is angled, and fits TB types better.
Doublesstable, I would bet that you have the angled panels. My saddle will have these panels as well when it comes.
Murph- I would also suggest that you have a rep come out with an SE01 and SE02. Also clear the serial code with CWD as there is a code for the angled vs flat panels. If the flat panels fit your horse, I would avoid the angled panels.
You may find that the SE01 is ok for you. I have a friend that has an SE01 with grain flaps and she does Grand Prixs on a horse that jumps out of her skin.
As for the grain calf, this is pretty high quality leather, and if you take care of it correctly, it should never get slippery. The CWD conditioner, Beval’s Akene conditioner, and any glycerine based soap will preserve that grippiness.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that info re the panels. I do have the serial numbers from the one I’m looking at. Do you know which portion of it refers to the panels?
The full calf is uber grippy and the CWD conditioner makes it even more so.
If this means anything - my panels are PA 210 PA 705 PA 310 and it is a SE01
Both my horses are wide backed WB’s but one of them has a high wither. The underside doesn’t look very angled - actually the channel is extremely wide and the padding underneath is cut away where the channel is.
i brought my saddle home tonight to ship back tomorrow to get my new panels… my horse is NOT agreeing with his custom saddle right now though. The last couple of months he has been trying to buck me off whenever i ride him in it. my trainer rides him in her albion and hes fine. grrrrrrrr. this saddle tragedy needs to end ASAP its been over 6 months of a crappy fitting saddle. 
i brought my saddle home tonight to ship back tomorrow to get my new panels… my horse is NOT agreeing with his custom saddle right now though. The last couple of months he has been trying to buck me off whenever i ride him in it. my trainer rides him in her albion and hes fine. grrrrrrrr. this saddle tragedy needs to end ASAP its been over 6 months of a crappy fitting saddle.
I remember your first posts on this saddle - can’t believe you’ve been this patient!
I recently had a fitting with CWD. Don’t be scared by the SE01 flat seat, it’s more like a half deep. The SE02 is slightly deeper. If you ride in jeans often the full calf won’t last as long. Best advice: go have a fitting! Good luck, they are so comfortable for the horse and rider!
[QUOTE=doublesstable;5396747]
The full calf is uber grippy and the CWD conditioner makes it even more so.
If this means anything - my panels are PA 210 PA 705 PA 310 and it is a SE01
Both my horses are wide backed WB’s but one of them has a high wither. The underside doesn’t look very angled - actually the channel is extremely wide and the padding underneath is cut away where the channel is.[/QUOTE]
I think the 310 means it has angled flaps. I am looking at my order sheet right now. At first I was looking for a used saddle and my rep gave me codes to look for. He noted that for the last set of numbers, mine should say 305 or 300, and that the 3 denoted angled panels. 505 would denote flat panels. The serial number on my saddle will read PA 205 710 305. I do not know what 305 or 300 means vs 310 though.
I am not an expert by any means and I would suggest that Murph send in the serial number on any prospective purchases to Bertrand at CWD and he will decode it for you.
The CWD rep will come out for free to fit you, so no loss on your part to get a fitting.
[QUOTE=Rhody Ram;5398261]
I think the 310 means it has angled flaps. I am looking at my order sheet right now. At first I was looking for a used saddle and my rep gave me codes to look for. He noted that for the last set of numbers, mine should say 305 or 300, and that the 3 denoted angled panels. 505 would denote flat panels. The serial number on my saddle will read PA 205 710 305. I do not know what 305 or 300 means vs 310 though.
I am not an expert by any means and I would suggest that Murph send in the serial number on any prospective purchases to Bertrand at CWD and he will decode it for you.
The CWD rep will come out for free to fit you, so no loss on your part to get a fitting.[/QUOTE]
Originally when I was looking at used CWDs the reps were really great if I gave them the serial numbers and would tell me if it would fit my horse or not. Then I decided to buy new because I couldn’t find anything used that fit me or my horses.
I was surprized at how nice they were about helping me… so saying that, don’t be afraid to ask CWD for help… maybe they will have a used trade in or demo saddle that will work.
[QUOTE=BAC;5395794]
I haven’t seen any recent prices but depending on the leather (grain, calf or buffalo) probably between $3,800 - $5,000 give or take a few hundred.
Full buffalo is the most expensive but you can get various configurations, for example I have calf seat but grain flaps. I’m not a fan of either full calf or buffalo but they are more popular and also more expensive.[/QUOTE]
The base price for a new CWD with grain leather is $4500 and for full calf it’s $5,500. Not sure about Buffalo, but their used saddles are usually around $3500.
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