Dark side of horse industry?

It is tabloid style " journalism" to “report” assumptions and fake facts when condemning the actions of others. I only responded to the what I know to be fake, the injecting dry ice into the spine and a fairly well known accupuncture technique.

Once I disbelieve any kind of media presentation, I don’t go any further so did not struggle to read further. There are plenty of real facts of actual abuse available via the national organization disciplinary records, they aren’t as transparent as they could be but they are there.

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Hi friends, the point of this post was to discuss the subject not flog the writer. I’m not an expert in horsemanship, but my impression is that as a trainer @Shelbydennis is mindful of horse and human welfare, and it’s great to see those topics being discussed within the industry. Let’s remember to speak to others online as we would like to be spoken to in real life. Shelby is still in college and seems to be a very impressive young person. The fact that she is thinking about ethical issues in equestrian sports shows maturity and courage. Thanks to everyone who took the time to give a serious answer to the question and to those who PMd me. I learned what I was hoping to learn.

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Is that the point? Because I’m always a little suspicious when a new poster’s first or second post is promotional in nature. Could be the blog author posing as someone else, hoping her blog being discussed here would send people to her site. You can see where someone might be suspicious that that was the intent of the original post, right?

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[comes to board, links to web site, then complains about feedback…)

The writer has her own web site and is a journalism student, so can take the criticism and learn from it. And if she is a trainer- buckle up and grow some thick skin (maybe she already has it). The horse world and journalism world ??? Tough tough tough.

Perhaps, in the future, you can just copy and clip a question and not link a site if you are concerned about feedback.

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Shelby didn’t know this was even posted here until I alerted her.

As in everything (the MeTo movement, etc) horse sports are trying hard to clean up its act. Years ago, poling horses with wrapped bamboo poles was an everyday occurrence. Now it is looked upon with horror. The same goes from offset oxers to drugging. This year, lunging at WEF is limited to 15 minutes. Granted, it has more to do with space limitations, but the lunging areas are now patrolled and LTD is no longer allowed ON SITE.

Sadly, the rule makers are always one step behind the malfeasors, so all the USEF is doing is plugging holes in the dam. But people are trying. However, what is seen and done on the horse show grounds is not the problem. Those who want to get an edge will always find a way, usually by going off site to ‘prep’ their horses in private.

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Yeah I didn’t think in THIS case the OP was the blogger i"in disguise" but you can see how one might think that/how that is sometimes what people do.

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Oh yes I definitely agree!

As someone who has been working, riding and showing in the hunter/jumper world at AA rated and international shows, I have seen or experienced everything listed in that blog except for two things which I have seen done differently, if they are doing what I think they are.

  1. Spraying alcohol on polo wraps. When I saw alcohol applied it was usually applied to the horse’s leg after a horse had been polled or hit a rail that had spikes. 2) Dry ice injections in the back. I have not heard of dry ice specifically injected in the back, but I have seen horses being injected and then head down to the show ring. These shots could have been anything from steroids to B12 shots.

I have found plenty of great people in the horse world, but undoubtedly a lot of the BNT and BNB have terrible practices. It is a shame that these things are met with “yeah, this happens and has been happening for years.” There could and should be more accountability when it comes to the horses’ welfare, and inappropriate interactions trainers have with minors. These things happen on the farms and at the show grounds with many exhibitors, officials, trainers, and workers knowing.

I appreciate this article for the fact that the author is trying to shed light on the extreme and rampant abuse that happens in the horse industry.

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The shots in the back before heading to the ring would likely be sarapin.

Though when I google sarapin, it seems like one of the long lasting arthritis treatments. Why would you risk injecting this at the last minute rather than have the horse on a regular maintenance program under vet attention?

Also joint maintenance injections, whether IM or IA, are considered totally OK for horses that need them, and indeed there are multiple threads all the time discussing the various options.

So the OMG they are INJECTING things into the horse really isn’t a “dark side of the horse industry” per se unless you know it is a banned substance or something really questionable.

I wonder if the “dry ice” comment came from someone that saw meds being kept cold on dry ice in a place with no fridge?

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Sarapin is a vegetable nerve block that is often injected into backs for back soreness as well as mixed with DMSO and painted on.

Indeed.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/some-medications-are-for-the-trainer-not-for-the-horse/

The staple thing went around for a year or two, then disappeared. It was a surgical staple, left in, at the base of the forelock. Supposed to make them quiet.

If your horse is so back sore that he needs an injection for it right before going into the show ring, then he shouldn’t be showing.

Well yeah. But this is so third person and hearsay that we have no idea what if anything was witnessed. Injecting with dry ice isn’t a thing. On the other hand horses are injected with all kinds of things legitimately. And illegitimately.

The blog linked by the OP had a passle of unverified second hand reports, some that might be misunderstanding, some that might reflect a passing fad, some that might be legitimate accounts of witnessing illegal behavior.

A lot of this thread has been trying to tease out the possible reality from the hyperbole.

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I remember a phase where ponies’ ears had staples in them from a vet in order to calm them down, allegedly. I think it had more of a placebo effect for the riders dumb enuf to pay a vet to do that

In Australia, Darren Weir, has been arrested for cruelty. He was let out the next day but his Melbourne Cup win in 2015 at 100-1. Famous for a female jockey winning, is in jeopardy.

Apparently putting blinkers on horses and giving them electric shocks then putting blinkers on for a race. Or using the shocks with a pin prick.

Police have been using secret cameras for 6 months.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/police-raid-stables-of-famous-australian-horse-trainer-darren-weir/news-story/e1cf7bc1affcd339dcca146ff48154a4

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/darren-weir-arrested-after-stable-raids/

I hate these types of blogs. There isn’t really a point, unless it’s fear mongering. :rolleyes:

Do bad apples exist in the horse world? Absolutely. Are they common? No.

We are a phenomenal subset of people who care about our animals. Even horse people who make a living off of their animals - carriage drivers, riding instructors, farmers, etc - care about their animals. There are very, very, very few people who want to intentionally cause undue harm to horses.

This type of article makes it easy for bystanders to clutch their pearls and complain about the abuses of the industry without ever understanding it. Why would anyone who enjoys horses sit there and spend the type to collect stories and put them all together to spread malicious gossip? Way to make an easy target even bigger, blogger.

I don’t know - I think it mostly pisses me off that people are so black and white about things. There are definitely incidents of clear abuse, but then there’s also this grey area that seems to be getting more and more obnoxious every week. I grew up riding hunters, so I’ve seen their shit. I spent the last decade riding at breed shows and learning western pleasure (the horror) and two summers ago I learned to drive carriages with a friend so I’ve seen all of their shit, too. :lol: I have a handle on most of the “abusive” industry practices. Most of the time - they’re without merit.

Have I seen a hunter get aced before hacking? Yep; on that day it seemed to be the better alternative to lunging his legs off for hours or dumping the rider. Have I continued riding a “lame” horse? Yep. He’s actually one of mine who always comes out of the stall a little stiff and after a few minutes of trotting around on the buckle, he’s fine.

Have I seen a horse bloodied by spurs? Yep. He was being a pig and his owner had him spoiled to the point of sulling up and getting dangerous if you asked him to do something he didn’t want to do. Do I advocate going after one with spurs to the point their sides are bloody? No - but do I understand it happens sometimes? Sure do.

Have I seen drivers whipping a carriage horse? Yep. A distracted driver was about to back into them and they needed to move, NOW. Do I think you should be running down the road beating a horse? No - but every jackass with an iPhone these days wants to record and take things out of context. I’m sure video of the poor gal hitting him to move him quickly was posted on the internet.

Have I witnessed drugs and alcohol in the sport? Yes. I’ve even done some light riding after mimosa brunches on the weekend in my day. Luckily, my horse is a saint and just jogged around while I thought it was the funniest damn thing in the world. I realize it’s not the same as cocaine, but my point is - context is important.

The line varies for everyone. Personally, I want more people in our industry. I want more people to share these amazing animals with. Harping about the bad shit that occasionally happens is like giving ourselves a black eye and then telling the world that “no, no - everything is fine - i just tripped into a door knob!” I wish, in 2019, we could work towards being more inclusive and sharing the “bright side of the horse industry” versus gossiping about the shit that you know will get an emotional rise out of people. Everyone can do that, in any industry; it’s super easy. What’s more difficult is lifting people up and bringing out the best in others and ourselves, but it’s the path that’s worth it in the end.

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