who are we talking about?? DR??
“Diva” has named the stewards and vet. They are saying proper paperwork…steward, vet report is on way to USEF. Kudos to them and this horse show for not turning a blind eye.
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While that is true, at the moment, there hasn’t been anything official posted anywhere (i.e. a statement by DR, or by the horse show, or whatever). I wouldn’t expect there to be for a while if it’s true and the USEF is taking action against him; he’ll show up on the naughty list on the site at some point, but not for some time.
If it’s true and not just hearsay.
Edited to add this quote from the Facebook page of a top international rider:
“It was very upsetting to first hear and now read about the rumors of a rider in The Hampton Classic using cruel techniques to sensitize his team’s horses legs. These rumors do no good for our industry’s reputation and until the person involved is proven guilty, it’s important to stop spreading the rumor and respect the professional involved.
If he is proven guilty of burning the horses legs with chemicals, or harming the horse in any way to make them sensitive and less prompt to have rails down, he is not only cheating but he is also violating the principles of why we practice the sport, for the respect and love of the horses.
I personally wish that the rumors are just rumors, and if they’re not, that the USEF and FEI take the most extreme measures to make sure that cruelty and lack of FairPlay is eliminated from this beautiful passion and sport that we horse lovers practice.”[/QUOTE]
Maybe if the disciplinary actions taken were undertaken in a less secretive manner than the alleged offense, and in a more timely way, there would be no need to rely on rumor.
Well, Whoop, there it is…
http://www.noellefloyd.com/abuse-charge-filed-at-hampton-classic-horse-show/
Not gossip after all.
Sigh.
It is sad the things people do to win.
I’m super impressed with the way this horse show and their licensed officials have responded to this awful situation. It is a whole lot easier to turn your head and ignore a situation than confront something like this head on. I wonder how many times things like this are ignored…Thank you…all of you…for trying to do the right thing and do right by these horses. I think next year I will bring up a group of horses to your show. It will be worth the long drive to support people who support horses.
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I’m super impressed with the way this horse show and their licensed officials have responded to this awful situation. It is a whole lot easier to turn your head and ignore a situation than confront something like this head on. I wonder how many times things like this are ignored…Thank you…all of you…for trying to do the right thing and do right by these horses. I think next year I will bring up a group of horses to your show. It will be worth the long drive to support people who support horses.[/QUOTE]
This ^^^
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This ^^^[/QUOTE]
I agree, if the officials saw the evidence of abuse and reported it-- that’s the sort of response we NEED people to have!!!
Good to see the show management stepping up and confirming what has / is being said
They need to make the FEI involved so he just can’t go to Europe.
From Molly Sorge:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/young-jumper-winner-asked-leave-hampton-classic
Disgusting.
Waaay back when, I was a steward at The Hampton Classic and was assigned to the schooling area. I had to ask, then tell a very BNT to square up an oxer and roll the ground line out so it was, at a minimum, in a vertical plane with the front rails.
At the time, I had only been a steward for a year, entirely on the West coast, so I had not been involved with the very biggest names in out sport. Yes, I was intimidated, especially since the BNT did not pay attention to my first “request”.
But I knew that the horse show was 100% behind me, unlike other shows which will wash their hands of any unPC actions taken by a steward and throw the steward to the lions if the he/she stands up for “the right thing to do”.
I cannot tell you how great it is to officiate at a show which supports the decisions of its officials and is not reticent to take immediate and decisive action. The Hampton Classic is a show which every other show should emulate.
Unfortunately few shows have the cachet and importance of the HC. Had another show taken this action, enough riders would refuse to attend that show, or any others put on by the same management.
The Hampton Classic is really a classy show. KUDO’s to them. One wonders how Saugerties will treat DR. I hope that Tom Struzzeri (sp?) has the cojones to make sure his show is run squeaky clean.
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They need to make the FEI involved so he just can’t go to Europe.[/QUOTE]
The FEI and USEF have reciprocity once a decision is final. I don’t have time to pull the rule but it is there.
Was this an FEI class? Or a National one?
Isn’t this the week fo the $1,000,000 GP at Saugerties?
I remember back in the good old days when Lake Placid had continuous run ins with one rider/trainer and it banned him from ever coming to its shows again. IIRC, these problems had not risen to the point of getting the AHSA (back then) involved, but the horse show took the initiative and said “We don’t want your kind on our show grounds. You are not welcome to attend or compete at them.”
I do not know what happened legally after that, but I do know that the 2 Lake Placid shows were not included on this rider/trainer’s calendar.
Of course, nowadays everyone goes running to an attorney; so telling someone they are not welcome would probably be met with a lawsuit with in 24 hours. But I am hoping that “doing the right thing” will still be the right thing to do.
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Was this an FEI class? Or a National one?[/QUOTE]
The class he won was a Young Jumper Final, but he did compete in the 4* GP Qualifier. Most of his classes were National I believe.
From the COTH article citing the rules, this is a shame:
Soreing and/or the use of an action device on any limb of a Tennessee Walking Horse, Racking Horse, or Spotted Saddle Horse (each a breed not recognized by the Federation) in any class at a Federation Licensed Competition is prohibited
Apparently it shouldn’t specify just TWH, RH, SSH.
I don’t think that prevents soreing a jumper from being called abuse, but they should make that rule a bit less specific.
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I’m super impressed with the way this horse show and their licensed officials have responded to this awful situation. It is a whole lot easier to turn your head and ignore a situation than confront something like this head on. I wonder how many times things like this are ignored…Thank you…all of you…for trying to do the right thing and do right by these horses. I think next year I will bring up a group of horses to your show. It will be worth the long drive to support people who support horses.[/QUOTE]
Bring a VERY BIG CHECKBOOK.
Seriously, one week in the Hamptons can cost as much as a month in FL.
Fantastic that the press is on it, hopefully the USEF will stand behind the stewards, the vet, and the show.
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Bring a VERY BIG CHECKBOOK.
Seriously, one week in the Hamptons can cost as much as a month in FL.
Fantastic that the press is on it, hopefully the USEF will stand behind the stewards, the vet, and the show.[/QUOTE]
Well…sounds like the type of show managers that my customers and I want to support…I’m sure we will “make do” for a week. I’ve always wanted to do it and this is the push. I’ll start planning for next year and will be putting this show on my schedule. People want to support the industry and be proud to be a part of something good. I am proud of the actions of these show managers, officials of this horse show. Regardless of the outcome, they stood up and did what they thought was in the best interest of the horse. At the end of the day…integrity is everything…
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From the COTH article citing the rules, this is a shame:
Apparently it shouldn’t specify just TWH, RH, SSH.
I don’t think that prevents soreing a jumper from being called abuse, but they should make that rule a bit less specific.[/QUOTE]
You don’t need to use the soreing provision. The same rule says that the following is abuse:
c. Use of any substance to induce temporary heat.
h. Showing a horse with raw or bleeding sores around the coronets, pasterns or legs.
Plus Rule 702 states that the following is a violation:
d. Acting or inciting or permitting any other to act in a manner contrary to the rules of the Federation, or in a manner deemed improper, unethical, dishonest, unsportsmanlike or intemperate, or prejudicial to the best interests of the sport and the Federation.
