It cross cantered to several jumps…not mad about trotting changes, but the consistent cross canter. And entering the ring with illegal tack? (Granted it’s only illegal in this instance because that class offered prize money). I think I described it pretty accurately except for the fact that I couldn’t tell if they hooked draw reins to the breast plate or if it was a German martingale.
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For the record, I don’t equate the two. The round as a whole is what I have a problem with. And that that horse is in training with a well-known, high-level barn.
It’s just something I was adding to a conversation as a whole. That trainers at the highest level blatantly don’t follow rules and it’s the horses who suffer. That is all.
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The horse that was DSQ - at the bottom of the entry list, number 2135
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Back in the day many of us were allowed to do that at home. We now know better not to do that, especially where other peoples horses are concerned, and there is certainly no excuse for juniors giving injections to horses at USEF shows. That is the issue that Ms. Langer brought up in the article that was the subject here.
Some barns may still have unqualified people inject other people’s horses at home, but we aren’t discussing home barns’ best practices, policies, or lack thereof. This is a discussion about what USEF can do to get a grip on the abuse under its rules.
When people are caring for insured horses, or horses that they care about, they don’t allow kids to inject any horses other than their own, that they are willing to take a chance on, and it surely shouldn’t be happening at rated shows.
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"Some people " may object to a 14 year old giving injections in this day and age, because there can be very serious consequences when unqualified people, not to mention juniors, inject other peoples horses or their own at USEF shows, or at their local home barn.
I have never encountered an equine emergency that required a 14 year old kid to be the responsible party to give an injection at a USEF show. If that scenario exists, there is no excuse for adults allowing it.
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Please say the name.
That horse never missed a week last year at WEC Ocala. As in he showed every week on a three month winter circuit. Imagine what his med bill was every month
It’s disgusting and wow, I so badly wanted to send it to the USEF, I don’t even know these people but it was so irking to me.
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This an example of inaccurate reporting and what makes it hard to actually make progress in monitoring welfare.
This horse showed Week1,3,4,6,7,9 and 11. Easy to see looking at his record. Then had the month off before going North. So no- he had weeks off. I have no affiliation with this horse but since you put a horse and video that clearly identified the animal and owner- I did a quick check.
The video does not show a “clearly drugged horse” at Devon. I have no way of knowing that horse was or wasn’t, but the line he is coming down in the Wheeler/Gold ring has the fair to the left, booths, exhibitor lounge so the horse very well could have been distracted and not drugged, as he executes a pretty flawless change after almost falling on his face.
My point to everyone- inaccurate information such as the above is also part of the problem.
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Your whole post was amazing, but this line sums it up so perfectly.
Heck, There is all those things at pony club rallies, where safety and all that stuff is in theory one of hte main points of the teaching process.
What worries me about this is that though we (general) may ask questions and observe to the best of our ability, we still can not control what others might do that we do not know about.
It is easy to say we should know, but truly how do we know?
If you (general) are a working owner whose horse spends far more time at a show in the control of others, while you work the job that allows you to afford to do this, you have no way of knowing what is going on when you are not there.
Yes, hire people that you can trust. I would think that most (clearly not all) people think they are doing that.
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I’m sorry but go look up the whole video on clipmyhorse then, and you can see how drugged it was. I said nothing about how much the horse was shown or not, but I will assure you this isn’t the first time I’ve seen this horse look like this. It’s always on drugs.
Pennywell quoted the person who said the horse did not have any time off.
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I agree with you. People are hiring people they think they can trust but it’s a bit blindly. Sadly many of us find out the hard way at some point.
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I don’t know if it was drugged or not, however, statements like this are what make it hard to police welfare.
Looking at a spattering of videos - you can’t tell it’s drugged. And his USEF record isn’t setting the world on fire that would indicate it’s drugged to enhance performance and my point is YOU DONT KNOW, but are identifying a horse and owner.
Your post makes a reasonable person think- what does this anonymous poster have against this ammie, or the horses, or the trainer or the groom? Now imagine you are on the USEF and get - who knows- hundreds of rando finger pointing.
It really takes away from the cases where there probably fragrant medical infractions or cause for concern. The boy who cried wolf and all.
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It might spark the conversation between the owner and the trainer though. “Under no circumstances is Pookie to be injected with anything or fed anything without my knowledge. Kapeesh?” Force the owners to get at least a titch more involved here.
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Do tell what the upside is to drugging a horse to the point that it is crashing through jumps? Routinely? That doesn’t even make sense.
That video demonstrates nothing. The rider thought they were leaving the ground, the horse did not, then tried to catch up to the rider and voila, classic case of not making it down the line. Lazy? Tired? Short-strided? Drugged? Who knows, but you certainly cannot scream Drugged! based on that 20 second clip.
And you’ve posted with scoreboard in view and names ablaze in lights. I suspect it won’t stay up long but when everyone starts screaming SAY THEIR NAMES we get a lot of crap like this with absolutely no evidence to back it up.
(Disclaimer: I know neither horse nor rider)
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I don’t think they meant to drug it to this point. It’s called oops we overdid it!
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So it’s always on drugs yet they somehow still haven’t figured out the right dosage by May of the season and have an oopsie! at DEVON of all places. Okay.
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I don’t have to know a rider to be incensed that someone posts a clip and names names on the industry’s most highly trafficked forum with absolutely zero evidence. You, whoever you are, have come on here and deemed that This Horse Is Drugged based on your belly feelings. I’m no lawyer but I would be scrambling to remove that post if I were you.
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One doesn’t have to have an affiliation to be able to rationally look at this video, and now I went down the rabbit hole and looked up CMH videos and his USEF record- and say- WE DONT KNOW.
And I’m certainly not taking the word of an internet rando who clearly has a bone to pick.
You are missing the point that THIS is prohibitive if making progress in horse welfare. YOU DONT KNOW, horse hasn’t been “caught” or tested positive and yet you are insisting it is.
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