Diarado foals

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=stolensilver;5971075]
I went to Schockemohle’s this week after watching the Oldenburg grading. I was looking round for a dressage stallion but, as usual, keeping an open mind. The stallion that really caught my eye was Diarado.

He’s smaller (16.1ish) light side of middleweight and built very uphill. I’d even say he’s “blood” in type and he’s Ferro shaped while being much lighter in type. He’s got good legs and good hooves. He gets a major thumbs up from the grooms for his behaviour in the stable and also from his riders. He’s a nice person and very trainable.

He has a good walk, overtracks by 12", and a nice trot. It isn’t a huge dressage trot but those, to a large extent, can be manufactured. His dam has a very nice, very big trot so it may be in there. His canter is, of course, fantastic.

I’m seriously thinking of using him on my mare to produce a foundation mare for breeding dressage horses. If the progeny doesn’t like dressage it should have a good jump!

Does that sound like a ridiculous idea? (The mare I’m thinking of using him on is Irish Draught x TB, she’s cleared 1.70 many times out hunting and competed to PSG in dressage. She’s a middleweight with slight sickle hocks (but no soundness issues and excellent ability to collect) and a slightly sloping croup.)[/QUOTE]

Doesn’t sound ridiculous at all seeing as you are looking mostly for canter. He sure has that. Big mare , big mare , big mare…can’t stress it enough.

[fannie_mae]

just coming home from the westfalian licensing with 4 diarados being shown. different impression from what i gathered atthe holstein licensing couple of weeks ago. those were on the lighter side and some holstein breeders even suggested diarado might add certain “refinement” (note: refinement having nothing to do with size as such but indeed, they weren’t too big, either.)
however, the four sons in westfalia were of the same shape/topline formation but most certainly did not support the idea of “refinement” or “smaller in size”. hadn’t i been to holstein before my impression from westfalia today would have been:
substance.
bone.
body harmony and shape.
so i truly believe it is a question of genetic mare dominance if or not he does or does not turn out lighter or even smaller progeny. the westfalian sons certainly do not support this thesis.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=fannie mae;5975208]
just coming home from the westfalian licensing with 4 diarados being shown. different impression from what i gathered atthe holstein licensing couple of weeks ago. those were on the lighter side and some holstein breeders even suggested diarado might add certain “refinement” (note: refinement having nothing to do with size as such but indeed, they weren’t too big, either.)
however, the four sons in westfalia were of the same shape/topline formation but most certainly did not support the idea of “refinement” or “smaller in size”. hadn’t i been to holstein before my impression from westfalia today would have been:
substance.
bone.
body harmony and shape.
so i truly believe it is a question of genetic mare dominance if or not he does or does not turn out lighter or even smaller progeny. the westfalian sons certainly do not support this thesis.[/QUOTE]

Fannie Mae , I think the genetic diversity may in fact play a role in both regions. One has to remember though…you only saw 2 sons in Nuemunster and just a few in Westfalia. These few stallion sons do not depict his production as a whole. I’ve seen probably 100 Diarado foals…he consistently needs a big mare. His great grandmother is the reason. Option by Lord is where this comes from. No different than his other family members…Corofino I & II , Coriano , Camiros , Crawford etc.

[stolensilver]

Bayhawk what do you mean by “big”? My mare is a full up 16.2 and has 9" of bone. Does that count as big?

I’m cross with myself as there were some Diarados at the Oldenburg grading but I didn’t watch closely as I didn’t think
I’d be interested in any jumping stallions!

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=stolensilver;5975434]
Bayhawk what do you mean by “big”? My mare is a full up 16.2 and has 9" of bone. Does that count as big?

I’m cross with myself as there were some Diarados at the Oldenburg grading but I didn’t watch closely as I didn’t think
I’d be interested in any jumping stallions![/QUOTE]

That sounds big enough. They don’t necessarily have to be super tall but they need to be big framed and have enough substance , otherwise the ones I have seen can be small and demur.

The mothers of both Diarado’s in Nuemunster were both 16.2 but they were big mares and their mothers were 171 and 176 respectively.

[carnivalhill]

Notwithstanding the size issue, what other traits is he passing on? Movement, jump, general conformation? Thanks!

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=carnivalhill;5975529]
Notwithstanding the size issue, what other traits is he passing on? Movement, jump, general conformation? Thanks![/QUOTE]

The two in Nuemunster jumped ok and had good canters. One was approved and one was not. They looked alot like him but I’m simply not convinced. I’ve only ever seen a couple Diarado foals that wowed me and they were from tremendous mothers.

A friend of mine in Holstein has a really nice two year old mare out of a Carthago / Corde la bryere mother but again…mare is HSP with 10 on jump. He brought his color and his face to the mare but the rest is her. I’m not a fan yet.

[ne1]

i like diarado. he is a super - if small - individual with an exceptional jump.

holstein is not lacking for super stallions. my concern with considering using him is that the one reason i would go to him - carefully and with the right mare - would primarily be to try and replicate that exceptional jump, in conjuntion with some of his other better traits. but after hundreds of foals… that is not happening. the diarados are jumping nicely, but i have not seen one which approaches the jump which we all saw from daddy in the holstenahlle in '07.

i can get nice and typey more reliably elsewhere, and without having to worry about this sire’s small stature.

the one thing he wowed us with, he is not yet reproducing.

[stolensilver]

Something Diarado has in spades is a super temperament. He’s kind, willing and very trainable. That’s at least half the battle when it comes to producing a horse for sport isn’t it?

Other stallions who caught my eye were Califax and Balou. Califax is a more traditional stamp of jumper, foursquare with loads of bone. He’s got plenty of quality too and isn’t the size of a mountain (which is a positive to me) Hes probably about 16.3, maybe 17 hands. He has a great temperament too and, when ridden by a dressage rider, he did a line of correct two time changes with a big smile on his face. Impressive for such a young stallion.

Balou is well known for being a sweetheart. He’s a handsome middleweight 16.2 but his paces can be a little too held in the back for dressage which is a shame as they are big and impressive.

[kcbk]

Diarado foals size and jump

I bred and am raising at my California farm 5 Diarado foals. At the risk of being bullied by Bayhawk again, I can only offer my experience with these five offspring of the stallion. Size is not a problem. At least with my five mares he is throwing the dam size or better. The oldest are just turning 2 so it is early but they appear to have the jump- the technique and carefulness is there. Temperament is good --a little more sensitive than the classic Holsteiners but also very intelligent. Frozen semen is very good – most were first cycle conceptions.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=kcbk;6095614]
I bred and am raising at my California farm 5 Diarado foals. At the risk of being bullied by Bayhawk again, I can only offer my experience with these five offspring of the stallion. Size is not a problem. At least with my five mares he is throwing the dam size or better. The oldest are just turning 2 so it is early but they appear to have the jump- the technique and carefulness is there. Temperament is good --a little more sensitive than the classic Holsteiners but also very intelligent. Frozen semen is very good – most were first cycle conceptions.[/QUOTE]

I don’t bully you KC…only point out that very often you don’t know what you are talking about and then proceed to provide subsequent evidence to back my claim.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and are certainly entitled to relay what occurs on your own farm but your opinions do not accurately reflect Diarado’s production on an ongoing basis in Europe.

You continue to argue a point opposite that known by most regarding Diarado’s production and that of his stamm.

[kcbk]

Reece…you crack me up

Seriously, don’t you have anything better to do with your time or do you just feel compelled to :no: anyone who doesn’t happen to share your point of view or buy a horse from you?

Question of the day: What is the difference between ignorance and apathy? Answer: who knows. who cares.

LOL

[knowthatifly]

KC, reminds me of the old saying “Rust never sleeps.” No, rust never has anything better to do!

Haha

[NoDQhere]

Well, I went to the Branscomb Farm web site and have to say, WOW, some darn nice horses. Looks like you are doing a fine job to me!

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=kcbk;6096724]
Seriously, don’t you have anything better to do with your time or do you just feel compelled to :no: anyone who doesn’t happen to share your point of view or buy a horse from you?

Question of the day: What is the difference between ignorance and apathy? Answer: who knows. who cares.

LOL[/QUOTE]

Seriously KC ? You bump this thread up after being dead for 2 months and directly involve me in it ? Really ? Who doesn’t have anything better to do ?

It has nothing to do with a differing opinion of yours or whether someone bought horses from someone else or not. It has everything to do with your lack of understanding and downright errant dissemination of information.

You have been advised over and over by folks other than myself that you often don’t know what you are referring to but as that old adage goes…you can’t learn a damn thing while you’re talking.

I try to provide useful, accurate info for folks that inquire. Diarado’s production and mare needs are not my opinion. These are the facts as laid down by the breeders from Europe. The Europeans are not coming on here challenging my information…only KC Branscomb is because she knows it all.

[Mollybelle13]

clarification

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;5975390]
Fannie Mae , I think the genetic diversity may in fact play a role in both regions. One has to remember though…you only saw 2 sons in Nuemunster and just a few in Westfalia. These few stallion sons do not depict his production as a whole. I’ve seen probably 100 Diarado foals…he consistently needs a big mare. His great grandmother is the reason. Option by Lord is where this comes from. No different than his other family members…Corofino I & II , Coriano , Camiros , Crawford etc.[/QUOTE]

Hi Bayhawk, When you say Diarado needs a “big mare” do you mean height or bone? I have a 17 h TB mare who was approved premium by AHHA and I want to breed her in 2017. Thank you!!

[Mollybelle13]

Hi KC, With regards to Diarado experience do you mean height or bone or both? Just gathering info! Thanks!

[goodmorning]

[QUOTE=Mollybelle13;8356233]

Hi Bayhawk, When you say Diarado needs a “big mare” do you mean height or bone? I have a 17 h TB mare who was approved premium by AHHA and I want to breed her in 2017. Thank you!![/QUOTE]

I’d use him with pause on a TB mare as his feet & angles are not impressive. His hind end is also like Corrado’s and again, use with trepidation. However, he is small in height & light in bone (less than my TBS) & has fantastic cute ears to match :yes:

[Bachus]

[QUOTE=Mollybelle13;8356237]
Hi KC, With regards to Diarado experience do you mean height or bone or both? Just gathering info! Thanks![/QUOTE]

I would be not using a mare who has a lot of bone, more using a mare with height and blood. I have seen the first three stallions from his pedigree and they all have (had) enough bone. Diarado his motherline is known for a bit old fashioned types who are short legged. They all have excellent characters. I met Diarado his grandmother often and she is a fantastic mare!

http://www.horsetelex.nl//horses/pedigree/254807

His offspring is from what I have seen so far very good to ride and during several events this year his offspring had very good results.