I don’t believe you need the papers, just the year of birth/parentage/registered name. https://www.tjctip.com/About/TBHSI
Thank you for this!
The only thing I can think where this comes into play is at many unrecognized events riders are allowed to continue on if eliminated provided they are safe. It is possible the riders may assume the same thing applies to a recognized event when riding at an unrecognized level? I do know that several Starter riders did ask at a local recognized HT and were told no. I am not aware if there was any push back. I do ask if I am attending a new event if I am allowed to continue if eliminated. The part about not wanting to wear a helmet or vest at Starter? If I found Starter easy and safe I’d be jumping a lot bigger!
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People ask if they can continue on (do cross country if eliminated in stadium, or eliminated in dressage) at recognized events. I know some are allowed to. (The poor young lady who forgot she could not have a whip in the championship dressage test was allowed to jump but was not placed, for example.)
I can not imagine anywhere allowed people to jump without a helmet. That is usually right in the prize list (or whatever it is called in eventing).
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Yes, for technical eliminations, missing a jump or jumping the wrong jump, that kind of thing. Not for falls or too many refusals, of course.
One of the great things about unrecognized is amateurs being able to finish the course even if they messed up in a non-harmful way. When they aren’t concerned about “saving the horse for re-routing” to another event to make up for blowing this one.
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I would think that might conflict with insurance policies.
The Eventing rules in the USEF rule book are all numbered EVxxx (from EV101 to EV163).
EV122 is “Cross-Country Phase Definitions of Faults”. EV145 is “Cross-Country Phase Obstacles” in the 2023 rulebook (they reorganized the Eventing rules, so some of the rule numbers are different from the 2022 rulebook).
There is no level in eventing the jumps 1.45m.
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Another talking point surrounding the improvement of the atmosphere in the show jumping warm-up surrounded jump management etiquette. There was much discussion on providing assistance to those in the warmup who maybe do not have someone to assist them with setting rails if a pole were to fall down to keep the warm-up ring moving smoothly. The habit of claiming one individual jump in the warmup as your own and not allowing other competitors to use it was also briefly mentioned as an example of poor show jumping warm-up etiquette.
Boy am I glad to say that the behavior in bold above is not tolerated to my knowledge in Area 1. I would not tolerate that as a ring steward either!! Sounds like a holdover from HJ land.
The events I’ve volunteered at all limit the number of riders in S/J warmup, and have done it this way for decades. At several venues near me it’s possible to warm up outside of the jumping ring and then only go in when you’re ready to jump. Is this not a thing in other regions…? Or are we talking at the bigger (UL) venues?
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I wouldn’t even notice if someone was trying to claim it as their own. I just call the jump, make my way towards it when the path is clear, and do my thing. It literally would not even register with me that someone had “dibs”.
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Boy am I glad to say that the behavior in bold above is not tolerated to my knowledge in Area 1.
Sadly I am seeing this more and more often at sanctioned events in Area I and in Aiken.
The events I’ve volunteered at all limit the number of riders in S/J warmup, and have done it this way for decades.
Agree that this also used to be the standard in Area I but when events are tight on volunteers, those SJ warmup ring stewards are often not instructed how to manage this. It’s particularly frightening when the warmup area is small (eg. the ‘dust bowl’).
I am happy to hear that there was actually some discussion about these topics at the annual convention.
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To be clear, the two officials who commented about riders saying “It’s not USEA recognized, so you can’t enforce the rule” did not say WHICH rule was getting pushback. My “e.g.,” list was just that, POSSIBLE examples. But I really do not know which rules were involved.
I doubt that anyone was refusing to wear a helmet, but it is POSSIBLE that someone had an “unapproved” helmet and wanted to wear that instead of an approved one ( I saw that happen many years ago when they first required “approved” helmets).
On rethinking it, a more likely instance is an entry, new to eventing, using a standing martingale.
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I would likely be the same - it wouldn’t occur to me anything was “claimed”. I also can’t figure out why you would want “your own” jump. In my area, there is one crossrail, one vertical, and one oxer - would you not want to jump them all at applicable points in your warmup?
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Wow! That is so disappointing. Granted, I don’t hit every event in Area 1 so I guess how would I know… You said Dust Bowl, so I assume you mean GMHA…? Are there others where this is happening?
I have not seen it happen very often, but here is an example.
Trainer sets the oxer at a relatively low height. Rider jumps it. Trainer raises it a hole, rider jumps it, etc. At each point in time, either the rider is approaching the jump, or the trainer is raising it, so no other riders have a chance to jump it.
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I am surprised that this required much discussion.
Where I volunteer (show jumping warm-up typically) I will run over and fix something if no one else is showing they are going that way. But I almost never actually have to fix anything because someone standing there, even not associated with the rider, always runs in to fix things.
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This line from the one article I found interesting.
Is someone else going to try to decide how much warm-up time some other horse requires?
(Before you pounce on me, my horse I jump each thing once, sometimes twice and that is enough, do not want to make my intro level critter too tired.)
But, Some horses require more than that to install all their brain cells.
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In my area, I have seen a competitor allowed to SJ after getting E (not TE) on XC, so I think it must be up to the officials? And yes, I watched the individual (unsuccessfully) do her show jump round with my own eyes.
ETA: This was at the modified level.
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A competitor who is eliminated (or retires)in an earlier phase can request permission from the Ground Jury (or the TD if the GJ has delegated responsibility to the TD) to ride in subsequent phases. It is at the discretion of the GJ/TD.
TYPICALLY permission will be given for TEs, but not other E’s, but that is not a rule, it is the GJ/TD discretion. I have seen a rider who was eliminated for a fall at a jump given permission to ride the remaining phase.
TYPICALLY the rider is told that they must retire after their first jumping fault in the next phase, but, again, it is at the discretion of the GJ/TD.
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There was not actually much discussion on this aspect. Must of the discussion was about politely sharing the warm up jumps.
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