Do you ride in "no tresspassing" areas?

I spoke to the woman who rides on the land and asked her if she had ever asked permission. She was astonished I asked, and here response was, “we can ride wherever we want”. I then asked her about the no trespassing signs, and here response was, “I’ve been riding there for 2 years and no one ever said anything.”

So, from now on, I either won’t ride with her, or I’ll ride the designated trail up to the no trespassing point, then I’ll turn around and go back to barn.

I never felt comfortable about it and we have already had a few risky things happen out there. I will write a letter to owner and see what happens but meanwhile there are plenty of other places to ride!

The no trespassing signs are on a post with a chain across trail and you have to go on a skinny path around it, so she clearly knows the chain is there to keep people out. No lectures from me though, I’ve tried that before with people and got nowhere!

I really would be interested to hear WHY they think it is fine for them to ignore No Trespassing signs

Not sure of entire reason, but imo it’s the same as when there is a speed limit sign of 50 MPH and people go 55. Also, as kids, teens, many people grow up around no trespassing signs and learn to ignore them then, as it’s a game or challenge to ignore and go where you want. Not making excuses, just answering the question honestly. As adults we should outgrow that but clearly many don’t.

OP Imagine this if you will…

DH and I bought a lovely home, on a lovely lake, in a subdivision. The lake had three houses around it on three sides, all with lawns sloping down to the lake. The fourth side of the lake was bordered by a sidewalk and the road. Imagine my dismay as one evening I got home from work and discovered Bubba and his other brother Bubba, in my yard, right behind my swimming pool with their lawn chairs, Hank Williams blaring on their portable radio, a cooler full of beer and bait, a lantern (for after dark) fishing like they owned the place, drunk with a pyramid full of empties by their side. Add to that they had beyond beer bellies, were wearing small shorts, no shirts, no teeth and you get the idea. I walked down into my own back yard, and asked them politely to leave. They got pissed off angry with me, said it was a “public lake” and they could fish there if they wanted to. I pointed at the house, pointed at the lake and said, “Our property and indeed all three of the properties surrounding the lake own it completely, up to and including the sidewalk all the way to the road, you may leave quietly or I’m calling the cops, who, I’m pretty sure are not going to let your drunk asses get back in your car and drive to the PUBLIC LAKE TWO MILES DOWN THE ROAD FROM HERE!!!” They honest to God, turned the radio up, popped another beer and sat down to fish on. Oh. Hell. No. Indeed, our lovely county sheriffs came on out and told both good old boys that #1, this was indeed private property and if they wanted to fish this lake they should have bought the house when it was for sale, just like we did. #2, don’t even think about getting back in your car fellas, ain’t going to happen, car was parked illegally, so they towed it, and Bubba #1 & #2 set off walking to wherever home was.

Had they knocked on the door and asked if they could fish, I would have said only if you aren’t drinking, turn the radio down and put your damn shirts on, I can’t look at that and cook dinner. But since no one else was fishing and it didn’t look like anyone was home, they didn’t think there would be any harm.

Just because some ignorant nut job that your ride with thinks you’re being a wimp if you don’t ignore signs that say “no trespassing” and just because “there are lots of nice trails” doesn’t make it right. You want trails and land to ride on? Ask permission or get out your check book, that’s what the rest of us do.

Got home one day last summer and saw two of the neighborhood kids RIDING THEIR BIKES IN MY INDOOR ARENA (right next to our little dead end road). I asked them what in the hell they thought they were doing. Probably 12-13 yr olds they said “it’s just sand and it’s just our bikes, what difference does it make?” Well, let’s see, there’s about 10K worth of sand in there that I water and drag every day, there’s my liability insurance that’s 7K per year, and there is the fact that neither you, nor your mommas, called or knocked on the door to ask my permission.

Someone apparently considered the possibility that people would come on their property without asking permission, so they went somewhere, bought signs that make it very clear that they do not want ANYONE on their property and put them where you can see them. Why do you think this is even up for discussion just because there are inconsiderate buttheads like your riding buddies in the world? Really? I think your question just sucked IQ out of the air. And don’t blame the surrounding nut job environment for the fact that you have done the same thing. You rode where you wanted, because you wanted to, at a time when you were least likely to be caught or questioned. If it isn’t wrong, go at 10am on Monday morning when the workers can call their boss and see if your “well, there are lots of nice trails and we aren’t hurting anything” flies when the cops show up.

Yes, some of us are well off jerks with nice property who don’t want to share, tough cookies.

Going over the speed limit takes place on public property. I can drive however fast I want down my own driveway. I’ll agree with your theory that people who disregard laws don’t usually discriminate about which ones and might think that trespassing isn’t as bad as speeding isn’t as bad as drunk driving.

They know what they are doing is wrong, they are simply too selfish to care. It isn’t a game, it’s just a person not giving a tinker’s damn what impact their behavior might have on anyone else, plain and simple.

Your Bubba post was quite entertaining! Good to see the issue from property owner side…I own a house and land but not where people want to ride or fish.

No, I do not. If it is posted no I do not.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;7068402]

The people who ride out on trails here, most of them, do whatever they want. They ride around chains put on posts with a no trespass sign to keep people out and laugh at anyone who says that’s not a good idea. They ride on the track in the hours they are not supposed to. So I need to make sure of my decision before I stand up to them as once I do, it’s for keeps, I won’t ride with them or only on limited outings up to the allowed points.

Thanks for input, understand the viewpoint![/QUOTE]

Is this the kind of company you want to keep and be known as being associated with? I’d rather not ride out than ride with a bunch of rude, redneck yahoos…

Interestingly, at least in my barn (which is a dressage barn) the riders who go on the no trespassing trails are fairly well to do group of people. The main violator, (the woman I referred to who goes /rides right around signs on chained posts ) is Junior League society background…we do have “rednecks” at a nearby western barn and I see them on the designated trails , I have no idea if they go into the no trespass areas or not.

It surprised me too, who they are…I do feel better since I made the decision and I am riding out alone in the designated areas. My horse is not great about trailing alone but high time he learned.

http://list25.com/25-brutally-honest-no-trespassing-signs/

Perhaps these might be effective ?

[QUOTE=Countrywood;7070290]
Interestingly, at least in my barn (which is a dressage barn) the riders who go on the no trespassing trails are fairly well to do group of people. The main violator, (the woman I referred to who goes /rides right around signs on chained posts ) is Junior League society background…we do have “rednecks” at a nearby western barn and I see them on the designated trails , I have no idea if they go into the no trespass areas or not.

It surprised me too, who they are…I do feel better since I made the decision and I am riding out alone in the designated areas. My horse is not great about trailing alone but high time he learned.[/QUOTE]

It’s been my experience that folks with a “Junior League society background” often behave as if they “don’t leave footprints on wet decks” and that the rules that apply to us common folk don’t apply to their Exalted Status. This means they can go and do what they will. Rednecks sometimes reach the same conclusion (they can go where they wish) but usually they proceed from the “all men are created equal” point of view and that nobody has the right to tell them what to do. Both approaches are flawed, but there it is. :slight_smile:

I personally get to deal with both types from time to time. They are about equally difficult but for different reasons!!!

G.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;7068793]
I really would be interested to hear WHY they think it is fine for them to ignore No Trespassing signs

Not sure of entire reason, but imo it’s the same as when there is a speed limit sign of 50 MPH and people go 55. Also, as kids, teens, many people grow up around no trespassing signs and learn to ignore them then, as it’s a game or challenge to ignore and go where you want. Not making excuses, just answering the question honestly. As adults we should outgrow that but clearly many don’t.[/QUOTE]

If you get pulled over and were legitimately going with the flow of traffic, they’ll generally let you off with a warning.

If you’re on property that is legally posted (let alone with chains and gates showing clear intent to keep people off the property) they aren’t going to care if everyone does it if you’re the one they catch. Not riding where it’s not permitted isn’t excusable.

My dad owns 120 acres. He might be okay with people riding IF they asked permission, only went where they were told they were allowed when they were allowed, and stayed off the land during hunting season, just like he has no problem with people who ask coming to track a deer they shot across our property. We have had people doing birdwatcher counts ask to come on the property (great, Mom’ll go count with you!) It’s fine IF HE KNOWS YOU’RE THERE. Riders trespassing would be no different
than the snowmobilers who ignore the no-trespassing signs and ride across the land (except at least when it’s deep snow they leave a packed-down trail for walking the dogs) or hunters wandering across. They’d get a talk from the guys who have permission to hunt our front forty: two police officers from the nearest big city. They love having permission to use the land, maintain the access road and their blind in the off-season, and would not be kindly disposed towards people who disrespect the land owner.

Not to mention, with our property, yeah, I ride on it sometimes. I know where the badger holes are, I know where the swamps begin and and end, I know whether or not we’ve done a chemical burn on the hayfield (spotted knapweed’s making it unsuable), I know where things like old barbed-wire fencing and metal scrap are, which trails are clear and which dead-end in deadfall trees. Someone who just decided to wander around could wind up getting themselves and their horse hurt.

No trespassing means no trespassing. The landowner bothered to post the place for a reason.

In my experience the ppl who do not respect private property in rural areas are from suburb/subdivisions. Maybe they moved to the country & make jokes about living on “farm” b/c they fenced in 2 acres & have to drive more than 10 miles to a Starbucks, but their origins show.
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[QUOTE=Countrywood;7070314]
http://list25.com/25-brutally-honest-no-trespassing-signs/

Perhaps these might be effective ?[/QUOTE]

O, how I love this one
http://list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/leave21.png

“please do not stand, sit or climb on zoo fences. If you fall, an animal will eat you & that might make them sick”

:lol:

My husband and I own property in an equestrian subdivision with a private equestrian trails for the homeowners to use. We pay HOA dues to maintain the equestrian easements. I have encountered non-homeowners driving their ATVs on our equestrian easements numerous times. When I stop them and politely inform them that they are on private property and trespassing, I’ve actually had some of these jerks challenge me and tell me that it’s public property (it’s not, and it’s signed) and refuse to vacate. I’ve called the police on these folks on more than one occasion.

Riders who don’t live here and use the trails has also become an issue with some owners due to concerns about liability. You personally might not sue the property owner if your horse trips in a hole, falls and you suffer a traumatic brain injury, but I bet your health insurance company might.

No trespassing means just that.

Am I to understand that some land owners don’t fence their properties but have lovely, enticing trails wandering through them? People who have never owned land of any size, who have never been farmers or croppers, have no idea what is involved in maintaining a property. They’re ignorant. Same with cyclists, trampers, dog owners and those dreadful quad bikes.

Keep off other people’s land OK? Use the roads.

Well, I can see where the kids didn’t see the harm. You’d have to be a barn owner before you’d understand the complexity of footing. As a boarder I didn’t give it a thought, only on Coth did I see how expensive and costly it is to get and maintain good footing.

I used to ride at a time when every farmer and most every land owner would let you ride, we never asked because it was not something that anyone had to do at that time. We children always respected the planted or tilled land, we never rode in planted fields, once when we could not stop our horses in a race we ran into a plowed field. We rode on airstrips, we rode on perimeters of properties, we rode on beaches, we always closed previously closed gates. In town, we got the irate lawn owners and we stayed on the shoulder.

And then it happened that the country changed, entitlement, ignorance, and plain blind stupidity, along with people who not only did not want to share, they were militant about it, and always were concerned about liability. With the advent of wild speculative land and real estate gambles, the laws even changed so that beaches were owned when before it was also accepted that up to mean tide, only God owned the beach. It is a different day and time now and I am sad about it. I lived an idyllic life with lovely, friendly people who always loved to see us ride. Now riding folks are considered the snobby rich jerks, or the yahoos who ride across and through anything. I would never, ever have ever considered riding on posted land because I was taught to respect people. Whether they deserve it or not, I still do, but now I have no where to ride except in the woods around here which are not safe to ride in alone. I hope to God some things change for the better again and I really hope that those who have can once again learn to care and share.

I think alot of it is fear of liability. Fix that and I think alot of people will unclench. But as long as you can get sued for someone injuring themselves on your property you’re going to want to control who comes on and what they’re doing.

Paula

My friend/ barn buddy and I just moved to a new farm a couple of months ago. Background- the farm where we were boarding closed. We were very spoiled as the property was 100 acres with some big fields in the back and woods along both sides with trails. We also had permission to ride on two neighboring horse properties. The majority of boarders moved to a farm up the road, decent facility with a nice ring, but very landlocked, roads running along the front of the property and along the back of the property. The majority of the boarders moved there. My friend and I did a lot of trail riding so decided this farm was not for us and moved to a smaller farm that was on the road that runs behind the other farm. The few people that do trail ride have seen my friend and I riding around the new farm(only 20 acres, but laid out well with wide grassy areas across the front and both sides of the farm, and some woods at the back with trails criss crossing. Instead of asking permission of the owner to ride on the property, they have just been riding where ever they felt like it, even in the pastures. It has been kind of rainy lately, and my friend and I have not ridden in the pastures because we didn’t want to tear them up( we do have permission to ride in them). I had lunch with the barn owner today and let her know that I had seen them riding in the large back pasture. She said easy fix when I bring the horses in, I will just shut the gate(large metal farm gate, not easy to open if you were mounted). I’m sure if they had asked, she probably would have given them permission, but now she is just kind of ticked off at them. An instance where if they had asked permission and followed whatever rules the farm owner had they would have a nice area to ride.

[QUOTE=gaitedincali;7065353]
This is the kind of entitled behavior that turns people against horse owners and gets our riding areas limited even more.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally. So selfish of the few to ruin it for everyone else.

It is sad that people think they can just use land owned by someone else without asking first.

Count me as one of the scofflaws. There is around 1000 acres of land in the CRP program at the end of our road. It has lots of nice roads through it and you can ride for miles. Its mostly used for duck hunting and occasionally deer hunting. There is a section of fence that has been knocked down by the feral hogs that I can ride through. The land is part of an estate and I’m not sure who owns it now. So I occasionally go through the gap in the fence and ride back there but not during hunting season. I’m not hurting anything and I’m not going to sue if I get hurt so I figure I’m not hurting anything.