Doing business with JILL BURNELL? BEWARE.

[QUOTE=eagle74;6509910]
One other thing for all you bashers, there’s new laws for Cyberbullying!

Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as
actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
Use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
Use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person

Common tactics used by cyberstalkers are performed in public forums, social media or online information sites and are intended to threaten a victim’s earnings, employment, reputation, or safety. Behaviors may include encouraging others to harass the victim and trying to affect a victim’s online participation. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them.

A majority of states have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within stalking or harassment laws.

Most law enforcement agencies have cyber-crime units and often Internet stalking is treated with more seriousness than reports of physical stalking.

New California law: http://www.ikeepsafe.org/educational-issues/new-cyber-bullying-laws-going-into-effect-january-1-2012/[/QUOTE]

The fact that you just spent the time to type out that bunch of nonsense further puts it in concrete that you ARE Jill Burnell. Even those who have done business with you and come out alive are chiming in; sharing their concerns.

The only person who is damaging her reputation is Jill, herself. If she wasn’t operating in such an illegal manner, putting her parents at risk, improperly caring for her animals, and scamming the life out of hundreds of people in the horse industry (including the big names!) then we wouldn’t be sitting here sharing stories and forewarning people about the way she/you operate. The only person Jill can point a finger on is herself. Redwine, the other stallions and the broodmares under her name are beautiful and deserve better. The only unfortunate part of this deal is that they’re in Jill’s name and under her “care.”

[QUOTE=Noms;6509822]
BTW, none of you can force her into bankruptcy. Even the almighty IRS can’t force a liquidation unless they have such a huge tax amount due. Dont even think that is an option.[/QUOTE]

Not true. According to the below link at least three creditors holding combined undisputed claims in an amount of at least $14,425 can file in involuntary bankruptcy petition. I believe that a judgment is considered an undisputed claim, even if it is a default judgment, as long as it is final. A bankruptcy attorney would have to verify this, and also would need to advise on what breach of contract claims would qualify as undisputed claims.

It has been a long time since I have practiced in this area but I was involved in an involuntary bankruptcy filing many years ago that resulted in liquidation of a company. It was amazing how many creditors came out of the woodwork once the bankruptcy petition was filed.

Here is a blog that discusses involuntary bankruptcies. I have no affiliation with this person, just something that came up in a google search.

http://bankruptcy.cooley.com/2012/05/articles/business-bankruptcy-issues/forced-into-bankruptcy-the-involuntary-bankruptcy-process/

Lastly, to clarify, I am not giving any legal advice here, and am not saying that an involuntary bankruptcy is appropriate in this case. Just curious if it has been considered it based on the number of GFF threads that this forum has seen over the past year or so.

[QUOTE=eagle74;6509910]
One other thing for all you bashers, there’s new laws for Cyberbullying!

Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as
actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
Use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
Use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person

Common tactics used by cyberstalkers are performed in public forums, social media or online information sites and are intended to threaten a victim’s earnings, employment, reputation, or safety. Behaviors may include encouraging others to harass the victim and trying to affect a victim’s online participation. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them.

A majority of states have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within stalking or harassment laws.

Most law enforcement agencies have cyber-crime units and often Internet stalking is treated with more seriousness than reports of physical stalking.

New California law: http://www.ikeepsafe.org/educational-issues/new-cyber-bullying-laws-going-into-effect-january-1-2012/[/QUOTE]

This woman has scammed dozens of people out of thousands and thousands of dollars and we (COTH collectively) are bullying her? People need to know. I damn well hope the law gets involved and throws this woman behind bars where she belongs. “Cyber- bullying” be damned.

I’ve forwarded this thread to multiple breeders and acquaintances who are involved with breeding and showing hunters. Someone whom have progeny from Jill’s stallions.

This whole scenario is disgusting.

I’d like to know who is going to give “Mike” a restricted phone call and start asking some serious questions. I’m going to go out on a limb and propose that she quickly hands the phone to her husband to speak as “Mike”:yes:. If “Mike” has been to the farm only 6 times, then why is “Mike” so quick to defend Jill Burnell in every aspect of her so called “private” matters? For sure, a casual visitor of only 6 time to the farm shouldn’t be so well-versed in Jill’s personal dealings and life struggles? I certainly wouldn’t think so. I smell something funny.:lol::yes: This thread has been very enlightening.

[QUOTE=Sheila A;6509970]
Not true. According to the below link at least three creditors holding combined undisputed claims in an amount of at least $14,425 can file in involuntary bankruptcy petition. I believe that a judgment is considered an undisputed claim, even if it is a default judgment, as long as it is final. A bankruptcy attorney would have to verify this, and also would need to advise on what breach of contract claims would qualify as undisputed claims.

It has been a long time since I have practiced in this area but I was involved in an involuntary bankruptcy filing many years ago that resulted in liquidation of a company. It was amazing how many creditors came out of the woodwork once the bankruptcy petition was filed.

Here is a blog that discusses involuntary bankruptcies. I have no affiliation with this person, just something that came up in a google search.

http://bankruptcy.cooley.com/2012/05/articles/business-bankruptcy-issues/forced-into-bankruptcy-the-involuntary-bankruptcy-process/

Lastly, to clarify, I am not giving any legal advice here, and am not saying that an involuntary bankruptcy is appropriate in this case. Just curious if it has been considered it based on the number of GFF threads that this forum has seen over the past year or so.[/QUOTE]

They can file all the claims they want, but an involuntary bankruptcy will not happen. Sorry. I have dealt with heafty liens by the IRS, and even a substantial lien will not force a person into involuntary bankruptcy, not going to happen.

ETA, no one is a creditor until they receive a judgement, and even then they are FAR BELOW any other perfected creditor, ie banks, other lienholders etc.

I’m sorry but ARE YOU BLIND? CAN YOU READ??? I can count at least 4 or 5 people who have come forward on the this thread alone with claims of her wrong doing.

Instead of citing cyber bullying laws in CA, why not ACTUALLY READ THIS THREAD and count how many people here have been burned by her??

Go ahead. I’ll wait.

[QUOTE=eagle74;6509902]
Surprise! I’m not Jill! Just someone who has been to GFF 6 times and posted pictures of my visits! How many of you have actually been to the farm and can vouch for the conditions? Zero, as evidenced by your false sense of bravado that you’ve obtained by sitting behind a computer and attacking someone off accusations by Jill’s supposed sister-in-law! The sister-in-law who hasn’t answered pm’s by 4 different people in regards to obtaining her contact info like she promised.

Forced bankruptcy? Give me a break! If you have a claim, make it at the appropriate venue not on a forum. Does anyone on this forum even have a legitimate claim, or is it " I personally know 5 people that have been shafted by Jill but they won’t come forward" yada yada? It’s obvious you people don’t like her, fine, don’t do business with her! For those that feel they have a claim, take her to court not some Internet rumor mill. The steps to the Court House are easy to find.

I find it interesting that everyone joining the bash wagon on elder abuse, are going off a post by the SIL with pictures and not by reports by adult protective services/police. I still find it interesting that the SIL waited until Jill moved to 35 acres to make her claims. The SIL is pissed because the property doesn’t have a place for the parents to live hence them moving in with her. There was no “rescue”! Again, why did she wait having lived in the same town and certainly must have known!

If anyone is adult enough and wants to discuss this, have the balls to pick up the phone and call me, my name is Mike and my number is 916-847-0869[/QUOTE]

Who’s going to call?:no:

Posting your number on an internet message board … is that wise?

A picture is worth a 1000 words, that’s for sure. I don’t think they were faked, or aren’t a good representation of what was going on in that house.

I am sure she posted them after they moved out because she couldn’t get in to take the photos before that. I wouldn’t want to be the person responsible for cleaning that up. :eek:

Since Jill has judgements pending, I don’t see how a defense of no one has really been ripped off by her holds much water.

The cyberbullying law cited by “Mike” refers to the rights of students in the school system and the obligation of schools to combat online bullying.

But there are many other laws that do pertain to this situation, such as “obtaining money by false pretenses” and “fraud”.

I am also curious, “Mike”, if you have only been to Jill’s farm six times, how do you know so much about her sister-in-law, her parents, and her family situation as it concerns her move to a new property and foreclosure on her current property? And while you comment prolifically on these topics, why don’t you address the many many people to whom Jill owes money, a breeding, a promised foal, a breeding certificate, etc etc.

What would you have these people do, to right the wrongs against them?

[QUOTE=Fairview Horse Center;6509841]
Maybe, maybe not. When standing an EVA positive stallion, and processing semen in that mess, easy to contaminate another stallion’s sample, or another stallion himself by not being super clean with the AV [/QUOTE]

Ok, but if no one is breeding to Gray Fox Farm stallions because they have been forewarned of her criminal behavior and deceptive business practices it wouldn’t really matter if his semen was radioactive as no one but her would be coming in contact with it. I can’t fathom someone reading any of these countless threads and saying to themselves that they don’t care, they are going to breed to him anyway because she wouldn’t ever screw them over then seeing the pictures of the filth and changing their mind. They should have ran the other way after the first thread.

Denial

Eagle 74 If in fact you are not an alter it’s seems to me that perhaps you are benefiting from the innocent that have been robbed. It amazes me that outside of the discussion on the health and welfare of her parents and animals(which you defend), you have not considered the many people you have fallen for the excellent mirage that she calls her breeding buisness. Let’s consider the astronomical amounts of money(BREEDING FEES) that she has willing accepted from unsuspecting breeders. I purchased two breedings paid in full, in good faith. Spent time researching EVA, consultations with my vet and when it came time for a collection and I requested the semen to be sent Jill was MIA. Not even a return phone call, e-mail, NOTHING! What great explanation do you have for that? Do you make it a habit to surround yourself with someone who makes a living committing FRAUD. And for the record when I was in contact with her initially she had no problem responding when the money was coming her way. Mentally ill or criminal ?

[QUOTE=eagle74;6509910]
One other thing for all you bashers, there’s new laws for Cyberbullying!

Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as
actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
Use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
Use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person

Common tactics used by cyberstalkers are performed in public forums, social media or online information sites and are intended to threaten a victim’s earnings, employment, reputation, or safety. Behaviors may include encouraging others to harass the victim and trying to affect a victim’s online participation. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them.

A majority of states have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within stalking or harassment laws.

Most law enforcement agencies have cyber-crime units and often Internet stalking is treated with more seriousness than reports of physical stalking.

New California law: http://www.ikeepsafe.org/educational-issues/new-cyber-bullying-laws-going-into-effect-january-1-2012/[/QUOTE]

Brilliant idea!

Jill Burnell, has bashed many other stallion’s and other breeder’s business practices in her blog on the Gray Fox Farm website. Those stallion owners/breeders should have a valid claim for being ‘cyberbullied’ by her and can file lawsuits for punitive damages. Perfect.

http://grayfoxfarm.blogspot.com/

:yes:

“Mike”: Since you have been to Jill’s place a few times, is it true that there is no shelter for the horses? Did you get to see all sides of her house and can confirm that Yvonne’s pictures of the outside are fake? Did Jill invite you into her house? Not sure why you went back to her place a few times. Was it to look to buy one of her horses or breed to one of the stallions? If it is the latter, perhaps you can ask to see her “lab” and report back that Yvonne is a liar who posted someone else’s pictures.

Also, good luck to you if you are doing business with Jill.

I’m another one who has never even heard of this individual but really! If she is promising something, taking payments and delivering nothing, then she is plainly committing fraud. The condition of the home is not really at issue here (although it is appalling), but the fact that she is preparing a biological specimen, time critical, temperature sensitive, contaminants NOT advised, in conditions as illustrated by the photo, for shipment - if it were food prepared for sale the county would be out there shutting her down in a flash.

Please everyone don’t forget if you conducted any business using the mails the Postal Inspection Service is another valuable help: https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx

[QUOTE=Pronzini;6509462]
Sure you can find green pasture in California but it is a seasonal thing. Where any of these pictures of lush green grass taken in August? If so, those farms must have a lot of well water and a honking big sprinkler system.[/QUOTE]

I never said anything about “GREEN PASTURE” and specifically said our grass is only green in the SHORT winter/spring months.

Not sure where this comment is coming from…maybe you are directing it at the photos that GrayFox has of mares/foals in “green pasture”???

My post was in regards to “it’s normal to have broodies and foals in drylot pipe pens in CA”

We DO have SPACE and LAND to property raise foals. Sure our pastures are only green from late October to early June, but even with YELLOW GRASS, at least having acreage is good for raising foals.

I strongly believe that foals should NOT be raised in small pens. And my point in posting pictures of all the pastures I’ve kept my horses in, in the same SF Bay Area, is that - LAND DOES EXIST HERE :slight_smile: There is no excuse, IMHO. If one doesn’t have space then go send your broodmare to foal out at a nice big ranch where the baby can be born and raised up with other foals on ACREAGE :slight_smile: I know plenty of places like that.

"How many of you have actually been to the farm and can vouch for the conditions? Zero, " quote by eagle74,

Well eagle74, I guess I am the only one who has been there, and has been in the house. :slight_smile: And seen the property on a daily basis. Like I said before, sad sad sad.:no:

[QUOTE=Laurierace;6510004]
I can’t fathom someone reading any of these countless threads and saying to themselves that they don’t care, they are going to breed to him anyway because she wouldn’t ever screw them over then seeing the pictures of the filth and changing their mind. They should have ran the other way after the first thread.[/QUOTE]

Well, that is true, but 95% of the horse people I know either never, or rarely are in forums of this type.

I just started reading her blog and I’m giggling now. To think this woman is actually breeding animals is unrealistic. She states " To breed a Thoroughbred to a Thoroughbred for anything other than a racehorse is foolish."

W.O.W.!

[QUOTE=Fairview Horse Center;6510049]
Well, that is true, but 95% of the horse people I know either never, or rarely are in forums of this type.[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly the point. This needs to be public knowledge throughout the industry so it can be stopped once and for all.

I laughed at that too Daisycutter!