Dona Kay Wreck

Honestly, I highly doubt it will ever change. 1 wreck this season isn’t enough to shake Las Vegas. And the girls do not ever talk about the chute. DK is good, but it would take every girl across the board amongst multiple years for them to even consider it.

While we would like one wreck to do something, it won’t. Because if that were the case, the ground would hold up better and honestly the race would have remained in TX. The racer I worked for went 12 times, always in the same chute.

Not sure if this was shared here or not, but Ranahan awarded KK the True Grit Award.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1X1cnEuhAc/

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I highly doubt they are going to change the chutes.

If they didn’t make changes to the set up after seeing how awesome it could be in Texas in 2020, I don’t have much faith. Again, they can’t even make a simple change to drag the ground ONCE in the middle of the pack. Rodeos everywhere are making it mainstream to drag every 5 to 10 (unless it’s terrible muddy) so I don’t understand why the NFR makes all 15 go on the same ground, with the best of the best hard-turning horses in the industry. (Even the NFR in Texas did a drag mid-way)

Yup, saw that. The way she shielded DK when Valor was running full speed back to the alley, shows her character. Very deserving indeed!

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It’s been problematic forever. What’s driving the change you are predicting?

Different times.

Plus after this incident which is a lawsuit in itself, another is a harder lawsuit to beat. The insurance company for the arena, the event, the rodeo producers, NBHA or whomever puts on the event, may insist on it.

I’ll bet $20 nothing changes about the chute and alley set up for barrel horses in 2025 at the NFR at Thomas & Mack.

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No one will insist on a change because this isn’t a lawsuit. When you go and run anywhere, or ride anywhere, you sign a waiver saying that any accidents that happen within the facility is not the facilities fault. This is normal across the board even at the cheapest of places.

These women have been running in the chute for decades. They are not going to change it because of Donna Kay.

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Nevada negligence law is based on the idea that people should act reasonably and avoid causing harm to others.

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Ah but no waiver in the land protects against true negligence and it could be argued via the behavior of horses, that this chute design is negligent.

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How many horses went through it fine, for how many years?

One car accident does not make a dangerous intersection.

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How is it negligent? Upon further research it is padded, it is wide enough for the horse to turn, and countless horses have run down it. The ground is safe inside of it, it is manned by at least 4 people, and every panel is clear of rust and sharp edges. Negligence isn’t determined on a singular accident.

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How is it negligent?

its design is not safe

Just because the Space Shuttle was successfully launched and recover multipliable times did not make the booster’s O rings safe, it was a design fault. Thiokol, which also was a Nevada company was found negligent

Program safety engineers were aware of the engineering rationale that accepted risk, even as the O-rings showed increasing erosion, heat damage, and exhaust gas blowby.

So back to that chute if the chute is safe why have they installed padding on the corner post? To me that shows they believed it to be a risk.

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Okay, let’s go with your logic for a minute.

They pad the goal post for an NFL game.
What if a player runs into it and hurts themselves? They must have known it was a danger to the player.
Might as well remove the goal post so the players don’t get hurt.

Does the alleyway suck? Sure does.

But if you would tally the number of barrel runs that has happened at the T&M since 1985, we’re looking at roughly almost 400 runs. And how many times has someone injured themselves on that corner? I have no idea but if you try to statistically argue that the setup is negligence and seek to sue over that, no court is going to award you anything based on an extremely low percentage rate. (Endless climb has a good analogy above with car accidents and an intersection.)

No different that a bull rider getting banged against the chute.
Or a team roper’s horse getting caught in the barrier line (doesn’t happen often but I’ve seen some nasty wrecks from that).
Or a saddle bronc rider getting bucked off into the chutes.
etc.
etc.
etc.

Rodeo is extremely dangerous.
Are you going to call everything negligent? Where do you draw the line?
Your argument doesn’t make any sense.

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yes there are inherent risks in equine activities, the goal is to minimize the risks by removing hazards

the “post” is a Residual risk

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There’s an intersection near my house that everyone acknowledges is dangerous. We were told by the mayor, that they won’t put in a light unless someone else dies. One death wasn’t enough, let alone the number of accidents they have had in the meantime.

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I live right by an intersection like this. At least one accident a week, 20 fatalities in the last 8 years is what the city has reported.

No light. No lawsuit.

That lawsuit might win in some places.

I knew of a case where a kid trespassed into a fenced backyard and got bitten by the dog. Sued and won.

Lawsuits are often inexplicable. That’s why coffee cups have a hot beverage warning.

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Oh here comes the hot coffee reference. That lawsuit is way more complicated than “hot coffee” but knock yourself out.

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Ok.

Ouch!

Sure seemed like the crew handling the gate to close the horse in the ring was slow to respond.

@4horses on your intersection, in most places a smaller town or neighborhood can get a safety project funded if they work at it. State DOTs and regional transportation planning entities like to spread the money around. Lots of state and federal money for “spot projects” available. Also many state DOTs are revisiting the outdated “warrant” analysis and using a systemic safety approach. I think your mayor is being a bit lazy. Sorry to sidetrack but I hate to hear stories like yours. :worried:

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