Donating to CANTER

[FairWeather]

I can’t actually figure out what your beef is, which means you are just searching for one on the fly.
If you’ve got concerns, then feel free to email and or call me. You obviously know who I am, and have shown your brilliant use of web searching to ferret out that all-important tax information, ha!, so put your awesome skills better use and pick up the phone!

Or, maybe call and bitch to the IRS? Because it seems like everytime someone points out the fallacies in your logic, you jump to another issue.
Did the IRS not hug you enough as a baby? good lord, grow up.

[Big_Yellow_Taxi]

[QUOTE=FairWeather;4332797]

If you have legitimate concerns, I’m ALWAYS happy to answer questions, open the books, show people around. We are as transparent as I know how to be, which is why your [personal] jabs aren’t going to bother me.[/QUOTE]

OK since you are so certain this is personal, what about opening up your personal tax returns? You’ve never claimed ANY deduction for an expense that had more to do with your personal enjoyment of equestrian sports than with your infinitely benevolent desire to rescue unuseable horses?

[FairWeather]

I’d be happy to! Where shall I send it? And whose cowardly name shall I address it to?

Can I also send my credit card statements and receipts for everything I’ve spent on horses that racing threw away? I’m happy to.

You won’t win this because there is nothing to win.

[Big_Yellow_Taxi]

Post it on the CANTER website. I’ll be sure to find it there!

PS One other thing I discovered searching your own website for content you say doesnt exist was that the CANTER website was hacked recently. hahaha!

[Jasmine]

Uh, how is any of this any different than any other non-profit? None of it is illegal, so it’s not like CANTER is screwing the IRS out of any money. Other non-profits will take in donations of merchandise, which are tax-deductible, then sell them and the buyer gets to deduct the price. Same thing.

Other animal rescues (if they’re set up right) also allow foster homes to deduct the animals’ expenses. It’s a GOOD thing; bringing in more foster families to help animals in need.

I never knew CANTER was such a nefarious organization. Much better to just let all the non-productive racers go to slaughter than work to save a few, using every legal aid available.

[Big_Yellow_Taxi]

Its not illegal. Its a tax dodge [edit]. Perfectly legal.

[loshad]

CANTER is a charity, no? It took the time to go through the rather annoying 501c3 process, correct? Given that charities rely pretty heavily on donations, and that people prefer to give to organizations that allow them to get tax deductions, I fail to see where the problem lies. The tax deductions are an incentive for people to give. Period. The tax status requires reporting of income and expenditures as a way to keep the organization honest.

Further, I’d be willing to bet a considerable amount that FairWeather has probably contributed serious amounts of her own personal cash (along with blood, sweat, and tears) that she NEVER claimed anything for.

[edit]

How is CANTER any more of a “tax dodge” than any other charitible organization?

[Jasmine]

[QUOTE=Big Yellow Taxi;4332893]
Its not illegal. Its a tax dodge [edit]. Perfectly legal.[/QUOTE]

Well, then. What’s the problem? If it’s legal, you should have no beef with CANTER. If you don’t like what they do, take a long walk off a short pier and don’t donate to them. Or, lobby your congresspeople and get the law changed.

By the way, what do YOU do to help anyone, or any animal? Fairweather does quite a bit to help horses who have no voice. Even if it is all just a way to get out of taxes. <eyeroll>

[Big_Yellow_Taxi]

Thats my point. Its a charity. But the people working it are pursuing a hobby. I like old cars. Can I call my garage an old car rescue charity and write it off for tax purposes? nope. But if it was a barn full of horses I got for free its a different story.

[Jasmine]

Uh, wow. Are you wrong. My dad is involved with an old car club. They routinely hold car shows to benefit charities. The car club takes their expenses, including administrative costs, out of the proceeds from the TAX DEDUCTIBLE entries, THEN makes a tax-deductible donation to the charity. Double whammy there too.

[loshad]

Oh noes, FairWeather has managed to do something to help those who can’t help themselves but has violated the cardinal rule of charity to whit:

THOU SHALT NOT LIKE THE ENDEAVOR INTO WHICH YOU POUR YOUR FREE TIME AND DISPOSABLE INCOME FOR ABSOLUTELY ZERO REWARD.

That bitch!

Your metaphor is lame – last I checked, old cars weren’t in need of rescuing from slaughter.

[Jeannette_formerly_ponygyrl]

Maybe it’s just my local public tv station subsidizing a local you’s charity, but I could get a tax deduction for donating my old car to a legitimate non-profit. Not so much to a shade tree mechanic, but bless your heart for dreaming!

[Barnfairy]

Cabbie’s perception is seriously impaired.

Somebody needs to take the keys away.

[Janet]

@Big Yellow Taxi;4332913

Thats my point. Its a charity. But the people working it are pursuing a hobby. I like old cars. Can I call my garage an old car rescue charity and write it off for tax purposes? nope.

I know of at least one such. Not a “rescue” but 501c3.

[Big_Yellow_Taxi]

Jasmine/Jeannette - thats different. The (not-charitable) cars are being used to raise money for the charitable cause. In theory they could raise money for CANTER or WGBH too. They couldnt write off the money they spent on a new garage or to buy a new axle for their Mustang.

Janet - I dont doubt that such a thing exists but there would need to be some greater historical significance than saving the old datsun from the junkyard.

[Janet]

@Big Yellow Taxi;4332966

Janet - I dont doubt that such a thing exists but there would need to be some greater historical significance than saving the old datsun from the junkyard.

Yes, educating people about racing vintatge cars IIRC.

I know my father made a tax deductible donation to them. I just don’t remember the name.

ETA that the definition of “museum” can be pretty broad, and they can be 501c3.

[Jasmine]

Really? It’s that different? A bunch of uppity old white guys using their hobbies to write off money from taxes in two ways? That’s different from uppity women writing off their hobby…how? Because the car guys are helping a charity? Oh, and yes, my dad does write off the things that the club buys. INCLUDING the new pole barn for “meetings.”

CANTER is a charity. Are you disputing the fact that they save horses from slaughter? Because my gelding would like to disagree with you. His trainer was 8 hours from shipping him to Canada when I saw him on the CANTER N. IL site and bought him.

Or are you saying that NO animal rescue should be able to claim tax benefits? Which charity, in your all-powerful opinion, deserve to be able to? How about the religious charities? I have issues with uppity religious folks getting tax benefits, but I don’t attack the charities. I simply don’t donate to them.

Get a grip. Find a REAL cause to be upset about.

[caffeinated]

@Big Yellow Taxi;4332913

Its a charity. But the people working it are pursuing a hobby.

Um. So?

How is it different from people who like cats volunteering in cat rescue? Or people who like kids volunteering for after school tutoring programs? Or people who like architecture volunteering or donating to restore a historic building?

And for the record, I pay all my taxes, same as everyone else. And because I’m a lazy person probably only half of what I invest into CANTER actually gets accounted for (in miles driven and items purchased for their care, or entry fees paid to get them in front of people to try and help place them, among other things) on my tax forms. I need to keep better track of that stuff, for real.

[Big_Yellow_Taxi]

Oh I dont doubt that the wrinkly old guys in their race cars are working the system too. My original point was that CANTER does more for the volunteers than the horses, partly thru tax deductions and partly thru getting first crack at the best horses.

Dont tell me you’re too young to remember that before CANTER figuring out a way to get first crack at the best horses coming off the track was a full time job for a lot of people.

[Barnfairy]

@Big Yellow Taxi;4332996

My original point was that CANTER does more for the volunteers than the horses, partly thru tax deductions and partly thru getting first crack at the best horses.

You’re just plain wrong.

And everybody knows it but you.