Draft horses anyone?

So why do you think there are so many responses on this thread, by draft lovers/riders, pointing out all the various shortcomings of having a draft as your main riding horse?

Surely there must be some truth to it? Almost every poster here (most of whom DO ride drafts and love them) pointed out many of these shortcomings ('cause, not being a draft person, I wasn’t aware of most of them).

I’m sure there might be breeding programs where you stress riding your stock, but this is not the norm, apparently. Drafts WERE bred to pull, not ride. Historically, Perchs were not ridden.

I’m sure there was a reason for this.

As a point of fact, does the OP’s horse REALLY sound like a good deal?

Historically Perchs were ridden and driven, you are wrong. Would you like me to cite a number of historic books in my collection that write about Percherons as riding as well as driving horses in the 19th and 20th century? I found one book on line (it isn’t the best example but it is the one that is on the net), written in 1886 look at p 136- 137:
http://books.google.com/books?id=c3QYAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=weld+percheron&source=bl&ots=Hg9rmMp5zL&sig=US4-Aqx2o2UEwW0FRzXz8azWgDY&hl=en&ei=459UTP_UIIP58AbistX3BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems to me that riding and even racing “fast drafts” (as percherons were often called back then), was done. Also, there is a chapter in that book that writes of three different types of Percherons (one light, one medium and one for heavy work)

Many, many people on this thread own draft horses and attest to their being fantastic trail horses and riding horses. A few people (many, don’t even have a draft horse) tend to chime in about how they shouldn’t be ridden. What was written was that they are unsuitable and sub-optimal and should be left to teamsters to drive. I find those comments so totally false, that yes, I do find it offensive.

As to prices of good quality, sound and registered drafts right now (take a gander):
http://www.horsesall.com/Article.aspx?ID=20461

:no: I know it’s hard, but return him now.

I have a lame eleven year old. I’m keeping him - but that’s because I’ve had him since he was three; he’s 14.0 hh; and he lives on air.

And still, I shake my head at the thought of the vet care and farrier care for (God willing) the next twenty years for a horse I’ll never be able to ride again.

You, OTOH, are looking at BIG feed bills and BIG farrier bills - and maybe BIGGER vet bills than you would with a light horse.

I wouldn’t take the risk, were I in your place.

I just want to clarify…just because a draft horse is bigger doesn’t mean that their vet bill will be bigger as well. My draft horses are no more expensive or cheaper than my two Quarter Horses, shots are the same, teeth floating the same, etc. And an emergency is just that…depends on what the emergency is for and what has to be done.

As for tack, again, depends on where you look, what your looking for and how much your willing to spend. Harness wise, I have 3 sets of team harness. One is old, heavy brass spotted leather that is a nice work harness, got it for $250 out of someone’s barn in the mid west and once it was cleaned and a few minor repairs, does well. I have another work harness that is bio-thane and nylon. It is nice, cleans up well but it is for work so it is dirty and we use it when were conditioning during the year or a get together or plow day. Then I have a bio-thane show harness, everything on it is nice, clean, and shiny. That and the bio-thane and nylon work harness came with Trixie, along with collars and pads. Saddles I got used and good condition. Same with the head stalls and girths. You CAN outfit a draft for a lot less than what most people are thinking you can and still look good.

Feed, what is so expensive about it? My two mares don’t eat anymore grain nor hay than the Quarter Horses…it is the farrier care that is more expensive out of everything, but they have issues with their hooves that I have cared for since getting into drafts 7 years ago. It is a misrepresentation of the facts about draft horses and people who don’t know or don’t do their comparative shopping or ask those who DO have draft horses, they assume they are more expensive when in reality, they are not.

Draft horse shoeing and their feet are the Achilles Heel of the breeds. Just finding a blacksmith can be tough to impossible. Finding a good farrier can be really impossible.

I have a friend who almost got out of Shires due to not being able to find a farrier…she had a nice boy at stud too!

I used to haul my shire over 45 miles each way to get him shod. One farrier charges me $260 for a reset!!! Obscene, welcome to the world of drafts.

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Draft horse shoeing and their feet are the Achilles Heel of the breeds. Just finding a blacksmith can be tough to impossible. Finding a good farrier can be really impossible.

I have a friend who almost got out of Shires due to not being able to find a farrier…she had a nice boy at stud too!

I used to haul my shire over 45 miles each way to get him shod. One farrier charges me $260 for a reset!!! Obscene, welcome to the world of drafts.[/QUOTE]

Or it depends upon where you are.

My drafts are blatantly obvious from the street, and I still have farriers stopping by OFFERING to work on them. I have a steady farrier, who I’ve kept for almost 5 years now (LOVE him) and I pay a whopping 10 bucks extra for trims.

Draft tack hasn’t been a problem for me at all. Mounting is no different then with a tall warmblood. Feed costs for a draft are less then for, say, an OTTB (at least my OTTB).

In my opinion it’s not about being sub-optimal, it’s about being different, and draft or draft cross owners need to be made aware of those differences. Lack of knowledge of ANY breed of horse can cause problems and raise costs. If those differences make the breed/type sub-optimal for YOU, then you shouldn’t own one. For others of us, these are simply things to consider, and any horse purchase should be well thought out.

As far as riding horses goes:

I don’t consider them “sub-optimal” if they’re being ridden appropriately for their abilities.

I mean, very very few drafts are ever going to be, say, a Grand Prix dressage horse. Or a 5 foot showjumper. Or compete in eventing at Rolex.

But I think they’re very suitable for the vast majority of rider who wants a quiet horse that can ride a few times a week, go on trails, and put guests on when they come visit. The vast majority of drafts I’ve met fit that description. Of course, there are also those drafts who are well aware of their size and how it can intimidate people and use that to their advantage, those drafts rarely make good beginner/re-rider horses (and not saying the OP is either of those things, just speaking in general) unless their handler stays firm at all times. I mean, many times the rescue has seen people come in talking about their draft with a behavior problem and it really came back to being a handler problem.

Anyway, all I’m saying is I don’t think drafts needs must be driving horses only. Sure, they were bred for hitch and pulling and such like, but that doesn’t necessarily completely relegate them from also being ridden. The drafts at Gentle Giants have done all sorts of things: play day games shows, local hunter shows, team penning, dressage, parades, drill team, pleasure trail rides, camping, judged trail rides [like the ones the OP is talking about doing], sled pulling, public meet-and-greets, and yes, driving a cart.

EDIT: and as far as farriery goes: Does it cost more? YES. My well-behaved draft who’ll stand for his feet getting trimmed (and he only needs trimming) still costs $65 for a trim. I’m given to understand light horses typically cost about half that. Shoes, too, are more expensive (and they’d have to be if only for the fact that drafty feet are so much larger than light horse feet). And I understand it can be difficult to find a good farrier willing to work on drafts, especially if they’ve only ever worked on drafts who hadn’t been taught good manners (annnnnd we’re back to that handler problem again). That said, I know of at least three good farriers in the MD/PA area who’ll do drafts.

Get more opinions before deciding one way or the other. I trim a huge Saddlebred/Clydesdale cross with severe articular and nonarticular ringbone - his pasterns look like they’re full of golf balls. This big guy is totally sound for moderate trail riding as long as he gets joint injections. He is barefoot and has been barefoot most of his life. He’s also on oral joint supplements and gets a gram of bute here or there on a sore day.

A safe horse you can TRUST to not kill you on a trail is worth a LOT. Even the cost of joint injections, in my opinion. But then I own, and have owned, horses with medical issues and it just doesn’t bother me. Any horse is going to have SOMETHING. I’d rather it be something that is medically manageable than something mental/behavioral.

And seriously - a vet who diagnoses a horse as “won’t stay sound” due to “low ringbone” without the benefit of radiographs? That’s absurd. That vet has no way to know what kind of damage there is without radiographs. Low ringbone is ossification within the DIP joint. That cannot be seen without radiographs.

How the heck did this vet manage to diagnose this when the horse is sound and obviously doesn’t have disfigured pasterns or you would have noticed it??? Get another opinion. Seriously.

The draft cross I trim has the scariest radiographs I’ve personally seen but you sure wouldn’t know it as he and his owner are galloping across a field. No, he cannot be stalled, and no he cannot do tight turns. Big deal!

And I wouldn’t let thin soles scare you away either. There are plenty of options. And while Drafts due tend to have a flatter, thinner sole (in my experience), you can use things like Durasole and Sole Guard in lieu of shoes, or in combination with it. Very easy, and affordable. And not all Drafts have gargantuan sized feet, so depending on the size, you may be able to buy hoof boots to fit him so you don’t have to keep him shod.

If it were me, and I really really liked this horse, I’d use this as a major negotiating tool with the owner, and I’d go for it. But that’s just one opinion.

Just yesterday I was at a dressage show and was introduced to a lovely 25 yr old mare with hind pasterns and fetlocks that look like they were run over by a mac truck. They’re 3x their normal size, and full of lumps and growths. The joints are mostly fused, and the horse’s ligament and tendon tissue has mostly calcified. This horse does First level dressage, and even won her division yesterday! She’s on 24/7 turnout and she does fine for the work her owner wants her to do.

I don’t care for them as riding horses. If they are too heavily muscled, they have a hard time with heat management, just as heavy muscled QHs do. And the height makes getting up and down a challenge…and you get to hit every limb and spider web all the others rode under. And trailer sizing and shoeing were already noted.

Just not my cuppa joe. I like 'em lighter bodied and nimble.

So, OP, just bumping this to see what the verdict was. Whichever decision you made, I hope you’re happy and things are going well.

I do not have a comment about riding a draft because I have never ridden one. However, I have ridden with Chocomare and Penny and know that her darft walks out! The light horses have to trot to keep up and are worn out after the ride:lol:

OP since it sounds like you like this horse why don’t you have a different vet come out and give a second opinion or ask the owner if you can do a long term lease on him?

Well, I made the decision to pass on him based on the vet check. I spent a miserable week unable to stop thinking about him. I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t get clear, and cried at the drop of a hat. It was like being pregnant again :slight_smile:

So, I decided to smarten up and listen to my instincts and I went back and got him. I was able to purchase him for half of the original asking price.

His front pasterns are a little lumpy, but since they were uniformly lumpy I just thought that was the way he was made; until the vet told me otherwise.

I’ve got some photos below. I don’t have a bridle that fits him. I have one on order, but in the meantime we’ve been cruising around with a halter and lead ropes. Normally I am dressed riding appropriately…

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You two look so happy together! Congratulations and may you two have many great rides in the future :smiley:

Have a lot of fun with your new boy. He’s cute and your smile gives away how you’re enjoying your new boy.

Remember, almost all drafts will get ringbone, once it’s all done being dramatic, they’re fine.

Watch out for the heat with him. Lot’s of muscle, heat generated and a small “radiator” can make summer rough for these guys (no matter what people say, drafts have a harder time cooling themselves than light horses do). I drove my Shires with a heart monitor on them to make sure I didn’t overstress them…they were always so willing to try and had such big hearts I wanted to make sure I kept them within optimal parameters.

I love draft attitudes (well, some breed’s attitudes more than others) and their willingness to say, “OK, we can do that” and then they walk on through all sorts of things. I had a mare that loved chainsaws…if someone was using one of these noisy things she was drawn to it. Surprised a lot of lumberjacks ("…and I’m OK, I sleep all night and I work all day. I cut down trees, I eat my lunch and go to the lavatry, on Monday I go shoppin’ and have buttered scones for tea").

Well, congrats on your new boy!! I hope you have a blast with him. He looks very sweet.

Congratulations on your new draft horse. I have owned them for 14 years and love them.

About that ringbone: I have dealt with it in two drafts I owned. As many have emphasized, a good draft horse farrier is a must. Ringbone does not require shoes but expert trimming on a 6 to 8 week schedule is a must. Since ringbone is arthritis (of the pastern joints), a low dose of aspirin can relieve inflammation and pain. Keep Bute on hand for flareups.

BTW: I love your pictures and he appears to be a strawberry roan Belgian. Cute, cute, cute … did I mention he is cute.

Congrats - enjoy him! Sometimes the best horses are those that find us.

I was on a search this spring and must have looked at 25-30 horses. Had two home on trial that failed PPEs. Then went and looked at a paint/QH that (I learned upon arrival) really didn’t meet any of my requirements for training (he’s green), size (he’s 15.3 not 15), conformation (built for dressage not reining) or color (I swore no more red/white paints). But as soon as I met him I had to have him - he was just “the one”. After all my careful searching I bought him on the spot - no vet check, no farrier check, no trainer consult, no guarantees.

3 months later I can’t imagine not having him, crappy feet, diarrhea and all.

What a cutie. Congratulations.

We own two horses who failed the vetting miserably, and one who had to go back 3 times before he passed. The two have required maintenance (joint injections, Legend, and other treatments), but I am so glad we have them. The older one is now 24, and actually quite sound, although retired. The 22 year old did well until age 18. Keeping him going since then has been an effort.

Get a good farrier and talk with your vet or a vet lameness surgeon about how to keep him sound. You may have some bumps in the road, but it certainly looks like you got yourself a lovely horse.

Enjoy.

Some people buy horses to further their showing or riding career and others buy horses for love. I, like you, bought the one I fell in love with. You know the problems he has and can map out a program to keep him as healthy and happy as possible. When you love something, taking care of it is not a chore.

He is CUTE and your smile says it all. Congratulations!