DRESSAGE GAITS - Fact or Fallacy?

Ah, but good conformation does not always mean pretty, especially to an inexperienced person!

A horse can have excellent angles in the hip and shoulder, a correctly set neck, and also have heavy bone, a big head, perhaps a longer back, and a placid stance at rest. Especially the older style warmbloods that were closer to carriage breeds.

When people breed for pretty pretty they end up with modern halter Arabians, some of which can’t even be ridden because their conformation is all wrong…

So good conformation and pretty aren’t 100 % the same thing.

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As far as QH in dressage I ,expect that a catty reining type QH could do a lot of the more advanced collected work and lateral work if he wasn’t too downhill to do it correctly. But he might not be able to show enough difference between working medium and extended trot to score well there.

But QH vary so much within the breed that you need to look at the horse in front of you.

There are several at the top of the reined cowhorse leaderboard that I would take in a hot minute to do dressage. I’ll never get one because dressage horses don’t win money and they do :slight_smile:

if you pulled the long mane and looked at one that was bay, you wouldn’t know that it was a qh. Those are some attractive horses and very good movers.

Oh gosh, I guess I’ll say it again at the risk of being tarred and feathered (though after this many years, I’ve got a few layers) Ride what you LOVE and LOVE what you ride. As long as your horse has three pure gaits, it’s all about the disposition and how hard you’re willing to work. The irony is that if you really love it, the time you spend isn’t work but a labor of love. I haven’t earned my gold yet but I managed a bronze and silver from off breeds. I believed in them and they trusted and worked their hearts out for me. I’m bellying up to the bar to go for another round with gold in my sights (though a long, long way off). If you enjoy the concepts of dressage, love your horse and your horse has reasonably sound conformation, 3 pure gaits and a sound mind, you are the only barrier to your goals…good luck and enjoy the journey.

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Hope this is related to the topic but can someone explain to me a “lateral” canter as opposed to a 3 beat canter? Or a “lateral” canter vs the straight-kneed canter in the hunter ring?

Go look up video of standarbreds being retrained as riding horses and shown running at liberty.

Keep an eye on the outside (non leading leg) side. You will see that the two legs swing and land almost in sync like the horse is trying to fall back into a pace.

It’s not just a problem in standarbreds but it will be more common and more extreme.

Of course you need a good eye for a regular canter to spot this.

thank you @Scribbler, I have done that. What parts that from a daisy-cutting canter of a hunter horse? Obviously diverging from dressage but I do notice that no dressage horses have this “lateral” canter, almost all if not all of them have a very distinct 3-beat.

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Where to begin?

First we need to distinguish between footfall pattern, degree of collection, and simple style of movement.

The correct canter is three footfalls and a moment of suspension.

This footfall pattern pertains whether your horse has high knees or low knees, big steps or small steps. So a good daisy cutter hunter is doing a 3 best canter with a long low sweep of leg. As is a super collected dressage horse, or a jumper.

However the 3 beat canter can be broken up in several ways all of which English riders would consider wrong.

First Western Pleasure riders will deliberately slow the canter to a 4 best gait and worse. If you don’t know what I’m talking about go Google Western Pleasure.

Second the horse might be lame. There was a COTH thread recently about a horse with a stifle injury doing a bunny hop canter where the two hind legs landed at once. Very interesting, go look that up.

Finally a horse might have a broken footfall pattern because he is gaited. Again if you don’t know what gaited horses look like, lots of videos. A gaited horse will have the ability to one or more four beat gaits on the continuum between diagonal trot and lateral pace. This might be a foxtrot, amble, running walk, rack etc.

Standarbreds either trot or pace and are trained not to canter. They can have trouble learning a correct canter and can tend to throw in a lateral step.

Again go Google if this is new info to you. It’s just all readily available common knowledge.

Gaited horses in general can have a tendency towards a lateral canter. They can also have a tendency toward a broken trot.

But nongaited horses can also have impure gaits if they have tight backs or are weak. There is a whole set if YouTube videos on racking qusrtehorses which is fascinating but also wrong in so many ways.

A good coach will see the impurity in footfall in a nongaited horse and call in a lateralized trot or canter, and have ideas about fixing it.

And no, I can’t see any functioning dressage horse producing a lateral canter. Or indeed a lateral trot. Dressage training exists to fix this.

I imagine somewhere someone has a standardbred with the most gorgeous floaty trot in the world and wants to do dressage and is struggling with a lateral canter. And either they will get that fixed or they will quit after struggling for a few years and go trail riding :).

In other words this is not something that you will see in the dressage ring. Or indeed the hunters.

Anyhow it sounds like you are mixing up the question of footfall pattern with the question of style of canter. Maybr your eye isn’t developed enough to see the footfall problem. If you can play videos of canter in slo mo that might help.

thanks scribbler. I’ve seen a 2 beat lateral canter on youtube. It looks quite jarring and nothing like the hunter gaits. I’ve also heard the “sewing machine” canter isn’t good either? is that when they have LOTS of knee action and look like they are paddling?

I would call a sewing machine trot one with a bit of knee action, but really the main problem is that the horse is not tracking up behind and has a short gait. Same as a pony trot.

The trot might also be very slightly broken, either advanced diagonal placement or verging on fox trot. So the front and back legs appear to be moving at different speeds.

Paddling is independent of this. Some Andies with nice gaits also paddle

I suppose a sewing machine canter would be short strided and not tracking up as well.

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This thread shows progression of several horses.

https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/dressage/9954090-your-horse-s-dressage-progression

A sewing machine gait is one that is doing a whole lot of up and down and not a whole lot of going forward. It would be the opposite of a free moving forward gait.