Dressage saddle for a wide, broad backed horse?

my fatlinger is in a Warendorf monoflap wide…I had my saddler drop the panels, completely reflock in real wool, then custom fit to my beast. He has had many duetts, all 36 cm, but they did nothing for my seat…we did have good luck with an Anky wide for about a year…

I’ve been on an endless saddle search for my tank wide Arab/Percheron mare, and almost as wide Saddlebred. I tried the thoroughgood broadback, Wintec Wide, Wintec Isabell XW, County WB, Schleese Wave - custom fit to my ASB but popped up and down on his back like a trampoline, also a treeless saddle - YUCK!, and probably a few others…I ended up by chance buying a Michael Stokes Centaur from a friend for very little money, and it fits my mare like a dream. It is VERY wide in front, and has a wide channel all the way back, so it fits her wide flat back and gives her ample room for her spine. It is too big for me at 18", unfortunately, but I put a Heather Moffett seat saver on it, and it works well. I just bought another Michael Stokes for my boy, and it’s not quite wide enough, but will be sending it to the maker to have it widened, and it should fit him like a custom saddle then. You can find them very reasonably priced, especially in the VA area. They are a well-kept secret, except for the locals…Total for both saddles? $550!!! LOL

I have had both a Stokes and a Black Country Eloquence on my big QH (17h and wiiiiiide).

They both fit him great and are nicely made saddles, but I recently sold the Stokes because the twist on the Black Country worked a little better for me. (I did get more than $500 for it though! LOL)

So would recommend both of those as good possibilities for a wide tracker.

Good luck! I feel your pain!

MD

Borne Saddlery

A gal in our barn just got a saddle from them for her table top fresian mare. Totally changed the mare’s gaits. She was previously in a county WB as wide as it could go but it still pinched in the shouldlers.

Its a really nice saddle. Nice workmanship, great customer service also

Second Borne.

I have both a jumping and a dressage saddle for my full Percheron from them. INCREDIBLE service, excellent quality and fits perfect. I will never go back.

Everyone who rides in my saddles comments on their quality.

Love, love, love, love my Black Country Equinox monoflap. It is wide enough for my fatlinger (love that Audgesmom!) and has a narrow twist so I don’t feel like I’m over a barrel. It’s listed as an all purpose, but I found the tigh blocks to be too large to jump in this saddle.
Here’s a link:
http://www.trumbullmtn.com/Saddle_%20pages/All%20Purpose/BCequinox_1.htm

After a lot of frustration, I finally found an Amerigo Vega to be the best fit for my haffie-shaped, built-like-a-tank, short-backed Bashkir Curly. And it fits ME in a way I could never imagine a non-custom saddle could!

Depends on so many things…

I actually really like the Thorowgood ‘feel.’ Rode in one for quite a few years. But the XXW Broadback Cob was nowhere NEAR wide enough for my little but wide-flat guys.

Finally got to try a Duett, and it fit them ok, but was awful for me. Literally hurt my seatbones. And I a) have plenty of padding :uhoh: and b) ride in a rock-hard-slick-as-glass Ancient Passier, so it wasn’t from lack of cush.

Saddles I’ve tried:

Thorowgood Broadback Cob XXW: Way too narrow. Not even close.

Wintec Isabelle: wide enough at withers, not wide enough a hand’s width behind withers.

Reactor Panel: FABULOUS. Until he outgrew the tree going from TL to 2nd. No one could tell me he wouldn’t outgrow another tree as we progressed, tree is not adjustible, and saddle is just way too much $$$$ if he was going to outgrow another.

Treeless: Ansur–horse loved, rider not so much. Fhoenix/Flexion–horse loved, we progressed further in 2 years than we had in the previous 5. Then he gained about 200lbs in topline, and became just too wide for me to handle hip-wise. :cry: Barefoot London–no way, not enough support, no twist feeling.

(The Fhoenix was definitely by FAR the best riding experience for both of us, until he ‘outgrew’ it. )

Rembrandt OS: worked well, gussetted panels made his loins sore. Tree not adjustible

Duett: fit horse, not rider. Twist and seat I guess are just too wide.

Albion: Never found a non-custom that was wide enogh.

County: Ditto Albion

Thornhill–ProTrainer and Vienna II : Their XW was NOT wide enough. The newest models have a wider channel, which may make the difference, I’ll be trying a Danube in the winter.

Wintec Wide: A very, very interesting saddle. Waist is raised up a bit so it is narrower than the twist. Stirrup bars WAY too forward for me though. And I’d have to get the panels worked on as the gussets would present the same issue as the Rembrandt did.

Michael Stokes Centaur with Baroque Tree & Flair: AWESOME. He outgrew the tree within 8 mos or so because he improved so much. I was able to adjust the flair panels for awhile, to accommodate the changes, but eventually he just bulked up too much. The saddle was a bit small for me or I would have had it adjusted. My knees/thighs tended to go up over the flaps. I would go with another in a heartbeat in the right size for ME as well as His Wideness.

Ended up with: Ancient Passier PT. Just slightly under 30 years old, #5 Tree. It is miraculously wide enough–even to use a sheepskin pad under (His Princeness & The Pea loffs sheepskin and goes noticeably better in it.) A reflock with real long, springy wool gives it cushy panels, which is His Princeness’ preference. I have been searching for a 2nd one to fit to the EVEN WIDER :dead: youngsters for two years now, since finding the first by accident in a localish tack shop’s consignment. I may have just scored one. I’ve bought two so far on Ebay and had to resell for various reasons–same model in Passier doens’t necessarily mean same tree.

If I had the money, I would go with a new Passier. Probably a Corona with a short flat and shallow seat. (deep seat is ‘standard’ for US orders I’m told.) Or, ideally, one of the last few PT’s available from very limited stock. Or a custom, remade from the SN of the one I’ve got. Note to self: Powerball & megabucks tickets… :lol:

Sorry… long, rambly post. But maybe some of my observations can help. It just seems to me that saddle mfgs are ignoring a HUGE class of customers. Most mid-to-affordable range saddles just come nowhere NEAR wide enough. I would LOVE an HDR. I love the panels, I love the flaps, I love the balance, and the price is exceptional, the quality really quite surprizing… but their wide is so NOT wide.

I always, always wonder how the H/J riders do it with most saddles not available even in W, not to mention XW or XXXW. Do they just put up with poor fit? Do they just not have stupidwides? Or does everyone get custom? I dunno.

Try getting a thinline pad for the saddle slippage. Although, I was sceptical about its backsaving qualities, it has been great for reducing saddle slippage on my fat flat backed pony. Others have mentioned the thinline girth as also helping saddle slippage.

I also had gotten a Michael Stokes used dressage saddle in a MW on ebay and my pony loved it.

My guy is broad, maybe not as broad as yours but he does have a wide back and I have the Stubben Scandica in a W and it works great.

Schleese Wave. :wink:

I just sent you a PM-you should be able to make your Hennig work…

Advice from the Saddle Queen

Yes, that is my nickmane at the barn as I have been through many saddles trying to fit my two wide-backed mares, a 14.3H Morgan and a 16.1H Appaloosa. Saddles that almost fit were the Thornhill Vienna II and the Courbette Charles de Kunffy but then their toplines changed and both saddles tended to slip forward. The Morgan is now in an old Northstar (like an Albion but with very little padding) and the Appy is in a size 3 Albion Ultima. Both mares go well in these saddles. The saddles fit me well also.

Talk with Cordia Pearson at http://saddlefitter.com/ about Thornhills and Karen Porter, Presige Saddlery in PA about Albions. Good luck! KarenRO

I tried a new, x-wide Steffen Peters Advantage saddle on my friends wide backed warmblood mare & it fit beautifully. This mare normally wears a Duett saddle. Couldn’t get the Wintecs, Bates, Kieffers to fit her. Rider loves her Duett. I like the quality of the Advantage much better though.
Look at the saddles up close at www.mysaddle.com
Shows all the custom options of these saddles. Mine is soft like a pillow. The horses love it.