Dujardin Whistleblower News

Eh, I don’t really give a crap about the whistleblower, who they are, or why or when they blew the whistle. The fact is there is such a power imbalance in dressage that the organizations would not take any complaints about any powerful dressagers seriously (and by power, I mean top riders or rich people). If someone wants to be heard and they know they are going to get crushed in the process (which is obviously happening here), they pick their moment (or they send in an undercover reporter, and/or they get out and publish the video finally). This moment was picked because it could not be ignored. It HAD to be addressed. The top rider’s conduct is atrocious, contrary to the personna she sold the public, and obviously not a one time mistake (based on the ease at which the conduct was deployed). It’s the conduct that is the BAD here. I think this conduct needs to be harshly and consistently dealt with to instill avoidance of such conduct. How or why it had to be that moment rationally seems to be based on a moment that could not be ignored PLUS a few other situations (Helgstrand, Parra, e.g.) paving the way. The thing about Helgstrand and Parra is that there has not been a punishment serious enough to befit the crime and instill future avoidance. What was learned is that you cannot give the organizations a waffle ground to avoid a serious punishment. This whistleblower ensured that would not be the case here.

CDJ was NOT made a martyr here: she put her own head on a pike when she visciously whipped a horse. If it was Jane Doe doing the whipping, would you attack the whistleblower? Unfortunately, attacks on whistleblowers do dissuede others from reporting similar conduct.

I do not agree with certain bloggers taking moments out of time or unfortunate resistences in a warmup arena to mean that a rider is abusive. I do believe when you have video footage of actual protracted whipping that doesn’t appear to have a purpose, of whipping under saddle when a horse is trying to please the rider but just not freaking “animated” enough, of tying legs together with bungies, of tying heads down, of stabbing a horse in the rump with a pitchfork…no one should question the whistleblower. It doesn’t matter how these videos are exposed, just that they are exposed, the conduct severely punished, and that no organization condone this behavior by refusing to get involved. It is really sad to me that there has to be such heinous video evidence AND that the heinous video evidence has to be exposed to the world wide web and a public outcry to happen for action to be taken.

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Cringey is not a way to describe a horse getting swiped in all directions with a lunge whip, cruel and mean would be better

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Thank you for this post! This thread is probably developing into a bashing thread on this whistleblower and IMO all this energy going into a thread like this should go into efforts to make changes into the way top dressage is done nowadays….

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The horse is a known rearer.

It is not uncommon to see trainers use a stock whip on “dirty rearers” when retraining. You WILL go forward, no matter what.

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AD fled Australia, and is not welcome back by the horse community.

AD is a scam artist who went bankrupt over a bad horse deal, rather than return the buyer’s money.

NA is no better. Not sure if she is still based in Aus or is permanently in the UK.

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In this context, the identity and behaviour of the reputed whistleblower is significant as she herself promotes poor and exploitative training methods - so claiming the video was released “to save dressage” is a bit unlikely. There are so many things that don’t fit or seem odd in the entire situation. That does not, however, condone Charlotte in any way, who was evidently abusing a horse with a whip.

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My first clinic with an ODG was on my schoolmaster that I owned for 6 months. He was behind the aids because of my lack of knowledge I am sure. The ODG said in an accent “Are you afraid of this horse?” I said no. He then grabbed the lunge whip and snapped it behind me, off we went LOL. I don’t think it touched my horse but we were able to continue on more pleasantly and get some good work done!
It can be extremely frustrating trying to teach someone who can’t get the horse in front of their leg or rider won’t let go with their body.

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I knew that horse’s name was ringing a bell for some reason - I had heard the same thing about it. And that is very likely why the rider was clamped down on it - she was afraid. It would be very interesting to see the rest of the video - were there instances of rearing in that session? Is that why the owner and sponsor arranged for the lesson with CDJ - because they knew the horse was a rearer and they were hoping she could “fix” it?

And yes, I have seen more than one trainer in more than one discipline use a whip on a rearer to get it forward. I understand the thinking - the horse has to learn there are consequences for that type of dangerous behavior. Do you give it a repeated thrashing? No, but I am not completely convinced from seeing the CDJ video of how many times she actually hit the horse with the whip. She certainly swung it multiple times but I could not clearly see either the shaft or the lash make contact with the horse on each of those occasions. I don’t know if there is a clearer video out there from the one I saw, but the fact is that she did cross the line and it was obvious enough to FEI for them to suspend her.

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If the horse was indeed a rearer, why oh why hit the horse/swing the whip in front of him??? That’s what baffles me the most about the whole thing - the ask/discipline wasn’t consistent or logical and the horse had nowhere to go… this wasn’t a job for a high level dressage trainer, this was a job for a good ‘problem horse’ trainer.

Regardless, what a mess.

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My assumption is that is the method CJD was taught which morphed into beating. I loved when my trainer would pick up the whip when I was on my mare, who especially when she was learning struggled to get the concept of really moving forward. My trainer did have to keep it as if he were longeing her distance wise, because closer she got anxious not quite understanding, so certainly there was no chance of contact.

Even when my acrobatic gelding was behind the leg, there was no consideration of possibly doing a similar exercise, as it likely would have just made him go upward. Behind the leg acrobatic are dangerous, and if this was a horse known for going up, I think whipping it like that sounds even more reckless and dangerous.

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I am glad that I was not the only person who thought the cell phone ban was ironic. I always get a bit nervous when a person goes out of their way to call someone else out but then wouldn’t allow themselves to be recorded. It makes me wonder what they are hiding/what they are afraid of ,

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Yes, what happened was wrong but unless I know what led up to that piece of video I can’t fully judge CDJ’s actions. Even murder has different degrees based upon what lead up to the death. Context is everything. Just my 2 cents.

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Even if this horse did rear and need some type of rehabilitation, this is still the wrong approach.

Does anyone have a source stating the horse rears? From my understanding, CDJ stated this was done as a way to elevate the legs.

Regardless, this approach was ineffective and unfair to the horse. It was also a thoughtless thing to do considering the public’s current view on dressage.

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And, to the rider - clamping down on a horse known for standing up is nearly sheer stupidity. This whole thing was just… dumb, and needless, and not fair to the horse.

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Not disagreeing with the spirit of what you are saying, but in an effort to keep the discussion factual, this is not the case, unless she’s released a second public statement that I cannot find in a Google search.

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No - that was what the whistleblower alleged as per her lawyer. I’m not sure I buy that either unless it was “lift the legs higher” by virtue of getting more energy into the horse. Still not the right way to do it, but that makes slightly more sense.

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There is a “trainer” in my area that is an okay rider. I don’t like his methods - they tend to be quite heavy handed. He’s also a pretty big whiner about poor judging in online forums, which several of us have pointed out that if every judge has the same problem, maybe it’s you, dude (and we all know it is). But he’s foreign with an accent and the uneducated women who absolutely fawn over every word he spews is nauseating. So he doubles down. In pre-internet days his following would be so much smaller and less disgusting.

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Agreed.

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I’ve seen that FB feed about the top lines. And the hooves. She’s blowing up long distance shots at weird angles that get badly distorted.

She posted her own “junior worst fails” which were indeed pretty ugly as proof “she used to ride like this.” No, sweetie. No you did not. No you did not ride like an Olympic eventer. Just no.

She also had a huge hissy fit when an older horsemanship trainer called her out on a huggy kissy pony photo where she was engaging in potentially dangerous behavior. She also promotes galloping on the beach in a neck rope as a reasonable aspiration.

The problem is that the biggest audience for this crap is non riders, beginner riders and PETA types. So everyone in general public is getting fed this idea that on one hand you can ride a horse with nothing on its head and then that real.equestriams are mean and cruel.

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Are we talking about the “trainer” that starts with an M?