Dutch harness horse drama. Update major mare/ foal neglect Nov 2023 post 1782 Update Kate Shearer responds post 1930 Nov 25/23

Well now you know why we stopped using you after just a couple times. And hint, it wasn’t because you moved.

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Because of what? Never used your horses as an example. Just because I have thoughts on how to treat others in and out of industry? Ok I respect that is your choice. Have a nice day.

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To try to get the thread back on track, she says she used Dr Foss. I will say that a few of the stallion lines she mentioned- the barn that bred my horse(s) also have had success with stallions with “issues”. Including actually getting a Heartbreaker filly from an ixe. He’s not a magician but very very good.

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I don’t like to see this at all, no matter who does it. There’s a difference between an educational post teaching people how to properly prepare a mane vs shaming your clients on Facebook. Doesn’t matter if you “name” them, THEY know you’re talking to them.

Very unprofessional. What other service industry does this kind of thing?

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I have seen some very very good braiders post the same, including their charges for manes in bad repair *IF they have time they will braid and fix. Usually we see these kinds of post toward the middle/end of the season and new clients are trying to get on the schedule. I can think of 3 friends who never post about it and 2 popular braiders who do. All very sought after.

Social media is good and bad. My one friend who posts something along those lines (does NOT identify clients in any way). As far as warnings go- it doesn’t bother me to give a heads up on SM when people are using that to contact you.

Didn’t see the post mentioned from the poster on this thread, not defending client bashing- but I have seen some of these types of post and usually done from sheer frustration.

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I posted saying this type of mane is exhausting and needs to be addressed prior to the show and actually pulling that much mane at once can make them neck sore. I didn’t shame anyone.

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Take this the way it is meant, from someone who is just trying to give you some advice.

Your posts (here, there, wherever) seem to come across differently than you think they do.

So, if you are trying to do an educational post about pulled manes and such make sure it reads like an educational post, and not you criticizing your customers.

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Thanks for the constructive criticism. I will keep that in mind. I’ve always been told I’m too short and to the point so have been trying to work on that. Definitely a personality flaw. I don’t sugarcoat or anything and realize that I need to be better about how I come across. It’s not intentional to be harsh for the most point.

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Yes Dr Foss is one of the best icsi vets. It’s not necessarily that the stallion is difficult(although I’ve gotten 3 baloubet du rouet embryos and he actually has difficult icsi straws), it’s more so that the semen is so rare like For Pleasure or Quidam de Revel that everytime you mess with the straw you risk injuring all of it. And most icsi straws only have 10-15% motility so when you take 1/10 of that you are looking at very minimal viable sperm to pull and put into each oocyte. For example we just pulled 8 Oocytes from my one mare and fertilized with my last bit of Diamanté de Semilly. Only 2 have cleaved. We find out in another 5 days if either of those 2 resulted in an embryo. But then again I tried my Kannan straw and got 3 embryos from one pull!

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I get it. It’s frustrating. I just don’t understand addressing it in a post on fb where everyone else sees it too. That would be like me bitching on fb about students being late to their lessons or whatever, instead of addressing the clients directly. Just not my style.

But I don’t share personal drama either on social media. At all.

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Agreed. They were not kind, educational posts.

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Some clients take it very personal when you mention things directly to them. It is actually easier and then not pointing fingers to express how manes should be prepared. And sometimes people just don’t know but it’s like going to the dentist without brushing your teeth first. It is common sense for many but a reminder about it is helpful to others. Now I’ve never walked out of a stall, I have thought about it. And I’ve also been told well they are difficult to pull that’s why we don’t do it. Ok but that puts my team at a safety risk then asking us to do something that you can’t do. Instead just mention it and we can arrange a time to come earlier, have someone hold, have someone medicate etc.

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Again I’m sorry you took my post as not educational. The other two were quite informative and not about my business. And I’m sorry if you feel I’ve harmed you in some way but don’t you think you’ve tried to drag me over the coals here enough? I mean your point has been made. Now we are discussing what happens in business and icsi breeding. If you want to continue to try to diminish me I’m fine with that but send me a message or something. But enough here ok

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Sorry, but you don’t get to tell posters when they’ve posted enough or dictate anyone’s use on this forum.

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Just a suggestion: this would be a great time for you to walk away from this thread.

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Oh my goodness! Enough is enough though. Fine keep posting but hopefully add something positive to the actual discussions about breeding then. You have literally hacked away at the tree that is no longer. There is nothing left for you to hack at if you get my gist. I’ve apologized to you, I’ve explained what you wanted….what more do you want?

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Why this whole thread is about me and I’m having a great reproductive conversation with others.

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You don’t need to apologize to me for anything, your FB rants have never been directed toward me. And there is certainly nothing I want from you. However, this is a discussion board and, as you said, this thread is about you. I have, and will continue, to make comments as I see fit that relate to my experiences with you.

And yes, I have been involved in a very small scale in breeding, but so far have nothing to contribute in terms of the DHH discussion on this thread.

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Of course it’s harder to address the client directly. But I guarantee they’re taking it personally when they see a picture of their horse’s mane on FB and a post/rant about how hard it is for a braider to do their job. So as an adult, speak to the client directly.

Lots and lots of people have jobs where we deal with difficulties and frustrations, especially involving other people. How you handle those obstacles can either reflect well on you, or not.

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Actually, I feel like there are two types of people out there…
Those that would read the post and assume it is them and then go over drive making sure it is not them, even though it was never them to start with.
And those that would read the post and assume it was not them, even though it really does apply to them.

In other words, that is why posts like that do not work. Because the people who they apply to do not think they apply to them and others are worried it is them when it is not.

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