Dutch Mare and Oldenburg Gelding Being Sent to Slaughter on Monday

[Leah_A]

No question, I work with rescues in my area. I’ve purchased a number of horses who were headed for slaughter, some right off the truck directly from the kill buyer. I know well how they work, how the auctions work, how the kill buyers work. This mare’s purchase price is not meat price and is obviously marked up. That, to me, does not change that I don’t want her or any horse to go through the slaughter process. For me, its not the eating of horses that I am against (althought I don’t choose to eat those that I consider friends and partners!), its how often the processesing of them goes wrong. If I can help some from that fate, I will (and have!).

Thank you for the further information on this particular rescue. Keep it coming! I appreciate it…

[TKR]

What about the Oldenburg – is he sound? Anyone know who dumped these horses?
PennyG

[RougeEmpire]

Well the fact is if AC4H bought the horse then they own it can resell if for what ever they want. Yes 1200 seems high for a “slaughter bound” horse the fact is they can mark up their prices all they want warmblood or not. These people are good at “tugging at heart strings” or in the as we call it in the Industry, SALES. Buy low, sell high. It’s called horse trading for a reason. Im not going to comment as to whether or not their actions are ethical or not. As far as I’m concerned it’s just business. The fact is put those warmbloods in a regular low end auction they MIGHT get 20% what they are asking for. If you REALLY want to get the horses for cheap let them go to auction and then snag them for way less. Though whats-his-face has been known for “bidding up”, which of course is totally shady and illegal. But getting them for a few hundred bucks less isn’t really the point. Even at 1200 bucks for a papered warmblood mare even if she isnt sound you are still making a killing just buying her as broodmare.

[Charmb]

Dutch mare & Oldenburg

Go for it Leah!! You may find a real diamond in the rough, and papers that can be found. As a breeder, you may also then have a use for her. And, if the unsoundness is not all that bad, a trail horse is a great horse to have as well. Not all wb’s need to be show horses.

I personally think that the kill buyers are there making a living. However, I question them raising the prices on re-sale horses by as much as 300%. It is sad, that those trying to give those horses a chance are kinda being ripped off. We could rescue more horses that have a use if that was the case.

I do not have a problem with the end use as food, however, the controversy over the methodology of kill seems to be the biggest issue. In this day and age of high tech, hard to believe that we haven’t found a sure way to do this. And drugs are not the answer.

[ise]

Too bad we can’t find out who dropped the horses at the sale and put their name all over the internet.

[Ridge_Runner]

@RougeEmpire;5659114

Even at 1200 bucks for a papered warmblood mare even if she isnt sound you are still making a killing just buying her as broodmare.

Just playing devil’s advocate…but should a WB mare (or any mare) that is unsound be used as a broodmare? I know it depends on why she’s unsound but 1200 is a risk…and no one knows if she’s even breeding sound.

[oppsie2]

I would be very interested in the mare - but again, no one knows why she is lame. And how difficult is it to obtain papers on her. And since no one has personally seen her, how do we know her age?

The mare does pull at my heartstrings too, but we have to be smart about money and I refuse to give that much for an unknown entity.

I would take her in a heartbeat if I had a clue about her breeding or her lameness. It is the unknown that is preventing me from hooking up the trailer tonight.

[mzm_farm]

Please pm me if you are able/willing to help with rescuing the mare - funds, transportation, fostering.

Also interested to hear how those of you who have acquired horses from this rescue would suggest transferring funds.

[LauraKY]

I think calling AC4H a rescue is quite a stretch…do some research, please. If AC4H owns the horses, then obviously, they are not going to slaughter…unless AC4H is sending them. Sounds like they get quite a cut for their involvement, even if it is on the up and up. Why not just adopt a horse from New Vocations or another reputable rescue/retraining facility?

[leilatigress]

Kill buyer might actually have enough of a load to haul them or he might run them through Camelot or New Holland. Lisseter(sp) mare was at NJ then New Holland or vise versa before landing on the AC4H site.
8y/o Oldenberg mare, sound on the jumps (Actually saw her jump) with a Schlesse (sp) saddle went for $200 down here in Texas at auction so $1200 for an unsound mare is just ridiculous. Looking for a cheap kids pony? Shop in August at your local auction. Lovely well broke ponies/horses right off the summer camp line. Trail mount? Right after your local big time rodeo and 60 days afterwards. (March and April for here). Proven broodmare? Early fall and your likely to see her recent weaned foal right there with her and she’s probably bred back. Weekend after Thanksgiving is your jackpot for more than electronics it’s also when the Christmas ponies are at top dollar. Weekend before Christmas will vary for top/bottom dollar as last minute shopping gift.

They all threaten the slaughter truck and AC4H is nice enough to take pictures of the “papers” of the ones that supposedly hauled every once in a while. I’ve played the auction game and the slaughter truck is just another ploy to line the pockets of more people. For every 50 that get a chance to get out of the pens there are 1,000 more you never hear about or get a chance to save.

As for the geling per the website “6-7-9 - Warmblood gelding Bay approx 16.1 hands and 11 yr old star and 3 white socks brand on left flank looks like Oldenburg brand. We rode him bareback right out of stall and he didn’t do anything bad or mean but did hunch his back put Western saddle on him and not cinchy did in hand eval on him after riding bareback. I only got video of in hand multiple pics of bareback ride.”

[cinder88]

If AC4H is truly a rescue wouldn’t they be getting these horses out at the lowest price possible and then passing that price, with a small surcharge to keep them going, along to the adopters?

Even if the KB is holding a good one for $1200.00 before a sale, if it is going to go for meat once it hits the auction it sure isn’t going for $1200.00, so AC4H can then snap it up for the $300.00 it might go for and adopt it then.

These please of “Last chance to pay too much to pad the pockets of the KB’s and their Middle Men…” do nothing for me.

Cinder

[Sabino_Farm]

For a slaughter horse…they should be in the $200-500 range max. Draft horses with far more meat have been going for less than $400 easy. Careful!!! Don’t let your heart cause you to support an BAD organization/bad people. Take your kindness to organizations that deserve and earned trust and help.
Don’t assume that just because they are WBs that they are quality. Also not all WB broodmares are worthy of breeding. Not all rescues are poor sweet horses. Some have major issues with training/temperament or soundness or both. Especially risky if you are dealing with a rescue with shady dealings and a bad reputation. It is the sad truth of this industry. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on the person who dumped them!!! At least do them a kindness and put them down humanely…salebarnsand slaughterhouses are horrible places with sad ends!

[Obi]

I have also been watching this weeks AC4H horses. I attempted to get the TB gelding (Jackety Jack) rescued via an associate I know in the TB industry. I emailed her the posting and photos of the two TB’s and she forwarded them to some of her friends. Many of the responses were that it was a scam as the horse had raced just a few weeks ago and could not be the same horse. Long story short, between emails from my TB friend and AC4H, the horse had already been purchased the night before and was going to VFH (another train wreck of a rescue). I was assured that the horse would be retired and given his own private turnout with a run-in etc.
Honestly, I would have much wanted to have this horse go to an invidual rather than to another rescue that has a questionable reputation. I just don’t get it?

As for the Oldenburg, in the Flicker photos it appears that he is very sore on his back to the point that he is hunched over when the man was riding him bareback. I feel so bad for this horse as it looks like he might have something seriously wrong with him and he is being thrown away instead of euthanized by its owner.

As for the Mare, she is off but not dead lame. She appears health and in shape. God knows what is wrong with her but if you are collecting money to save her, do it privately and send it to the Paypal as an individual in the whole amount. I know there are a lot of little fee’s, don’t bitch, just pay the fees and keep smiling.

As for the politics and drama of picking the horse up, follow the rules and don’t ask questions. The more you step in shit the more it smells is a good rule of thumb when dealing with New Holland people. Some of them get weird, some have hearts of gold. Follow Christys rules for pick up and it should be drama free.

I am trying to stay neutral in all of this as going to New Holland every week can make you a bit cold after a while. Christy has done some good things with making people aware of New Holland’s kill pen. THe brokers there can be down right rude and cold. They get harrassed by the anti-slaughter people and are not open to strangers demanding things of them. For them, it is a business and a way of life. Let me know if you are trying to save the mare because I would like to help. If you are serious, email Christy and let her know you are intersted in the mare and maybe they can hold it for a week, and let her know you are getting funds together and shipping quotes. $1200 is a large amount and there might be a chance they can hold her over. Try and be nice and you might buy yourself some time.

[Angela_Freda]

Interesting, Brian Moore buys the horses at NH or has Chuckie pick them up at Unadilla and other sales. Supposedly AC4H is not involved in buying the horses.

But look at the pics of the Bay, in one pic they show the brand, and in another the haunch with a printout from a computer search for the brand. How would they know to do that search and print it out before doing the eval. Tuesday, if they only see the horses when they go to do the ‘evaluations’ and have no involvement with buying horses on Monday at NH or the broker?

You can call Brian Moore/‘Moores Menagerie’ directly. Maybe he’d make a deal for someone taking both, or otherwise just to get them sold. His phone numbers, address and farm/sale information is easily found via Google.

Finally yes, Lisseters Happy Girl and another miniature horse [now with Helping Hearts in NJ] were on AC4H Broker Pages, with Christy insisting they were still at Brians, when they were most definitely at Camelot. Not ALL these horses Brian markets as slaughter horses through the ‘rescue’ actually ship to slaughter, but go instead to another sale. You could then pick them up for much less.

[aurum]

Here in our region you get 2.20 Euro per kilo if you send a horse to slaughter and that is about 1300 Euro for an adult normal looking Warmblood.

Hope they find a good home in time!

[Monica67]

[QUOTE=ise@ssl;5659149]
Too bad we can’t find out who dropped the horses at the sale and put their name all over the internet.[/QUOTE]

Why? since when is selling horses at a sale a crime?

[back_in_the_saddle]

[QUOTE=Monica67;5659928]
Why? since when is selling horses at a sale a crime?[/QUOTE]

Certainly not a crime, but selling two lame horses at a low grade auction instead of putting them to sleep can be viewed as unethical, greedy, cold hearted, etc, etc, etc,

Selling two healthy horses at a low grade auction in hopes of finding them better homes and to get them off the feed bill to someone who can’t afford big ticket prices isn’t.

It’s the lame part of this equation that doesn’t sit well with most folks.

[naturalequus]

[QUOTE=back in the saddle;5659984]
Certainly not a crime, but selling two lame horses at a low grade auction instead of putting them to sleep can be viewed as unethical, greedy, cold hearted, etc, etc, etc,

Selling two healthy horses at a low grade auction in hopes of finding them better homes and to get them off the feed bill to someone who can’t afford big ticket prices isn’t.

It’s the lame part of this equation that doesn’t sit well with most folks.[/QUOTE]

We have no idea of these horse’s actual issues (beyond what - little - is in front of us) nor of the owner’s situation.

[back_in_the_saddle]

They’re lame. Why not give them away? Why not list them on dreamhorse.com in the free horse section first? I’ve not seen any grey dutch mares listed there. Plenty of ways to move a lame horse without sending it down the auction/unknown path. At least if it’s free you can pick and choose (ie attempt) to put it into a seemingly good situation.

[S_A_McKee]

[QUOTE=aurum;5659872]
Here in our region you get 2.20 Euro per kilo if you send a horse to slaughter and that is about 1300 Euro for an adult normal looking Warmblood.

Hope they find a good home in time![/QUOTE]

Much lower prices in the US. Price changes constantly but about $450 for a horse that size.

I think $1200 for this horse is questionable. Usually a meat buyer will be happy to get $100 or so profit for a slaughter horse because they have no expenses to ship it out of the US.
Quick profit, no need to feed till shipped etc.

The connection between the Rescues and the Kill buyers is often a little strange.