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They’re lame. Why not give them away? Why not list them on dreamhorse.com in the free horse section first? I’ve not seen any grey dutch mares listed there. Plenty of ways to move a lame horse without sending it down the auction/unknown path. At least if it’s free you can pick and choose (ie attempt) to put it into a seemingly good situation.[/QUOTE]
I’m not defending any of the parties involved here, but it seems as if some people here don’t know how bad the situation is in some parts of the country. In my immediate area you wouldn’t be able to GIVE these horses away. My neighbor bought three sound, trail type, grade horses at the local auction for $200/total. I’ve been to see them and ride them and while they aren’t anything special they are safe, broke-to-death and in good physical condition. The simple fact of life for a lot of people in this economy is that they can’t afford to even keep feeding the horse while they wait for someone to take it “for free”. There just aren’t that many people out there willing to take on a lame horse, and we all know there is no such thing as a “free horse”. I would rather the horse be euthanized, as a lot of free situations turn out just as bad as an auction. But then again, there are some people who literally can’t affored the euthanasia. It is bad in some parts of the country now, and I don’t see it getting better for a long, long time. It’s something to keep in mind in regards to how a lot of these horses end up in the situation they are in. I wouldn’t villify the original owner until I had walked in their shoes, JMHO.
Hillside took the words right out of my mouth 
“I wouldn’t villify the original owner until I had walked in their shoes, JMHO”. There are always many factors at play and if I’ve learned anything it’s that things are never (wholly or in part) as they appear and that there is always another side or perspective to consider, even when you think you have all the facts or appropriate info or have considered all possible factors and perspectives.
That said, I hope both these horses find good homes of course. Personally, you couldn’t give me a lame horse or one with some type of pain issue. I’ve got one currently (lame - came that way) and it’s a lot of emotional toll, not to mention a lot of $$ to the vet.
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Much lower prices in the US. Price changes constantly but about $450 for a horse that size.
I think $1200 for this horse is questionable. Usually a meat buyer will be happy to get $100 or so profit for a slaughter horse because they have no expenses to ship it out of the US.
Quick profit, no need to feed till shipped etc.
The connection between the Rescues and the Kill buyers is often a little strange.[/QUOTE]
Couple weeks ago Brian bought a horse at NH for $400 that he then had listed the next day by the rescue for $1000. There’s some quick, healthy profit for ya’.
The slaughter/rescue angle works.
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You do have to remember though; sometimes, just sometimes, these guys are there for a reason. Hate to sound cold but be prepared for a permanently lame horse just in case.[/QUOTE]
Yep. I have one now. Gorgeous - but was sent to the auction not because he was so pretty. 
[QUOTE=back in the saddle;5660040]
They’re lame. Why not give them away? Why not list them on dreamhorse.com in the free horse section first? I’ve not seen any grey dutch mares listed there. Plenty of ways to move a lame horse without sending it down the auction/unknown path. At least if it’s free you can pick and choose (ie attempt) to put it into a seemingly good situation.[/QUOTE]
Ten bucks says that’s how they got to the auction…they were given away as free lame horses./ Eventually the takers get tired of lame horses and dump them. A scarey prospect that makes euthanizing more appealing :(.
If the owner couldn’t even give them away, the horses should have just been put down instead of sending them to slaughter. Horrible way for a life to end.
THANK YOU - Whitfield Farm.
To those of you who say - “walk in their shoes” - listen [edit]- those of us who have bred and owned horses for decades face the reality of lame horses that may or may not be useful. But sending them to the KILLER SALES - yes don’t sugar coat it with the word AUCTION - is not what a responsible horse owner does with their horses or ponies.
If you can’t sell them or give them away and you can’t afford to keep them - DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING AND PUT THEM DOWN.
I’m quite sure the owners of these 2 horses didn’t intend to stay and make sure they didn’t go on the transports to Canada - NO - they probably convinced themselves they would be purchased and go to good homes. As others have pointed out the probability of them being purchased is going down every day. Horses are being abandoned all over the country and many are just being starved to death.
So [rethink] this concept that taking a lame equine to a Killer Sale isn’t going to result in them being a burger. If you can’t afford to euthanize your horses or ponies when it’s necessary - YOU CAN’T AFFORD THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
ise@ssl == i agree with everything you said.
Or how about a really radical idea, lets have local facilities, lots of them, where you can take your unwanted horses, and get money for them. Lets have lots of family/small business run places run by people who care and are out to make a profit, they will pay you, then in conditions that are as humane as possible will shoot the horse and render all that good protein and other stuff into something useable.
Lets stop lame, old, outgrown, can’t afford to keep horses having to take rides of 1000’ s of miles just to meet their maker.
For those who say euth them, where does the money come from for the vet if your world has crashed around you?
Heads up people there are actually vets who will not euth a perfectly healthy horse just because the owner says it’s for the best.
If you do find a vet/or a neighbor with a gun to do the deed, what do you do with a 1000 pound carcass, they don’t flush as easily as a goldfish!
As ever there are so many issues, to many horses being bred, to many good honest people trying to make sense of a new reality where the cash is running out, and a HUGE issue for dispatch and disposal.
It’s a crap shoot all around.
[QUOTE=ise@ssl;5660197]
THANK YOU - Whitfield Farm.
To those of you who say - “walk in their shoes” - listen you idiot - those of us who have bred and owned horses for decades face the reality of lame horses that may or may not be useful. But sending them to the KILLER SALES - yes don’t sugar coat it with the word AUCTION - is not what a responsible horse owner does with their horses or ponies.
If you can’t sell them or give them away and you can’t afford to keep them - DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING AND PUT THEM DOWN.
I’m quite sure the owners of these 2 horses didn’t intend to stay and make sure they didn’t go on the transports to Canada - NO - they probably convinced themselves they would be purchased and go to good homes. As others have pointed out the probability of them being purchased is going down every day. Horses are being abandoned all over the country and many are just being starved to death.
So get your heads out of your butts about this concept that taking a lame equine to a Killer Sale isn’t going to result in them being a burger. If you can’t afford to euthanize your horses or ponies when it’s necessary - YOU CAN’T AFFORD THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.[/QUOTE]
This is unnecessary. Absolutely NO need to call anyone an idiot. Just because someone may not be able to afford the euthanasia now doesn’t mean that they couldn’t when they bought the horse. Life happens. How many people have lost their jobs and been unable to find another one? How many people went from being able to comfortably afford a high end lifestyle to being able to barely afford food and shelter? You do NOT know the situation, and it is not your place to judge. Do we all wish they weren’t there? Yes. Without a doubt. However, sometimes you just can’t control the crap life throws at you. Life happening doesn’t make you a bad horse owner. We don’t know what they tried before sending these animals through auction. They could be black-hearted douchecanoes for all we know, or they could be victims of a very shitty situation.
Right now is NOT the time for throwing blame. That does not solve the situation, or save the lives of these horses. So why not focus on what DOES matter? If this truly matters to you, and isn’t a soapbox that you just want to stand on and thump your chest a bit, quit railing the previous owners, it’s too late for that now. Instead, let’s work to making slaughter illegal.
Until then, how can we stop horses from going to slaughter in the first place? Could we make a website that is for a hardship exchange? Somewhere where people can get help when they’re in a bad situation. Where horse people can take care of our own. Whether it’s contributing a bale of hay, help working/grooming a horse when someone is hurt and can’t do it themselves, help taking in horses when the owner just can’t do it anymore, we’ve all needed help at one point or another (ahd if you haven’t, your turn is probably coming). And, sometimes, we are able to give ourselves.
If we quit pointing fingers at each other, and instead worked together, I bet you we could save some of these horses from going to auction in the first place. I don’t give a crap who you are, but you better not be pointing fingers and laying blame unless you have a solution. Unless you’re part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Sometimes the manure can hit the fan so fast you don’t have time to get out of the way. Several scenarios…you can go from comfortable to “what the Heck am I gonna do now?!” in a very short period of time. Death of a spouse, major illness, accident, major financial catastrophe’s of a house or car or whatever.
Example: all those people who had everything wiped out in a tornado. Job’s gone because the business blew away, house gone, no belongings. Etc. I’m sure they don’t have the $800-1000. to euthanize a lame horse.
Wife kept in the dark by her husband only to find out that there’s NOTHING because he gambled it all away and she’s overloaded with his debt and he’s sent to jail and she has 2 children. I actually know of this case. Lost her house, up to her eyeballs in debt, nowhere to go.
A series of calamities, one right after another, all unrelated, just week by week can send someone from comfortable with savings to the “what the f…” factor in a short period of time.
So PLEASE don’t condemn these people for a situation you know absolutely nothing about. Sometimes you just do what you have to do.
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Sometimes the manure can hit the fan so fast you don’t have time to get out of the way. Several scenarios…you can go from comfortable to “what the Heck am I gonna do now?!” in a very short period of time. Death of a spouse, major illness, accident, major financial catastrophe’s of a house or car or whatever.
Example: all those people who had everything wiped out in a tornado. Job’s gone because the business blew away, house gone, no belongings. Etc. I’m sure they don’t have the $800-1000. to euthanize a lame horse.
Wife kept in the dark by her husband only to find out that there’s NOTHING because he gambled it all away and she’s overloaded with his debt and he’s sent to jail and she has 2 children. I actually know of this case. Lost her house, up to her eyeballs in debt, nowhere to go.
A series of calamities, one right after another, all unrelated, just week by week can send someone from comfortable with savings to the “what the f…” factor in a short period of time.
So PLEASE don’t condemn these people for a situation you know absolutely nothing about. Sometimes you just do what you have to do.[/QUOTE]
Exactly…
This could very well be how they ended up at the auction in the first place.
People get all silly when something is free like this…if you read that story on Fugly, that’s exactly how the TB horse ended up at auction.
The true fact is, when it’s “free” it usually means it’s another mouth to feed that will give nothing back. And in these hard times, there simply are not enough homes for creatures with those sort of needs.
You know, I just read that last year between 4-6 MILLION cats/dogs/puppies/kittens were put to sleep. 4-6 MILLION!!
Yet somehow folks are thinking we are going to place every horse out there who doesn’t “fit.” [I]Not going to happen, folks! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
[/I]You know, I have five cats; got every one of them from the shelter. I did what I could. But I know that I can’t save 'em all. That’s just Life.
Now, if there was a humane slaughter house in New Holland, just think – maybe those poor horses could finally get a rest. Sounds like they’ve been hauled all over east jesus already. Thrown in transport with strange horses; held in large pens with strange horses. Who knows how well they are being treated.
And how is this any different that being transported to slaughter? The horses don’t know where they are going or why. They live moment to moment.
So explain to me again how this is helping these animals?
I’m telling you – the smart answer is to build MORE plants, lobby for very strict transport standards, more inspections and humane processing. It’s possible.
You cannot legislate morality, and when it comes to treating animals, these are usually “moral” choices.
If you are a real animal lover, you don’t want to put down a horse just because it’s alittle lame. You have a soft heart, so you give the dear animal away. Two years later, it’s moved down the line and they end up at New Holland.
Now, if you are a greedy, SOB who wants to squeeze that last $$ from a horse, you sell them for $400 to the killer buyer at New Holland.
Do you really think it matters to the horse?
Horses will continue to be saved at auctions – horse people were looking for “deals” at these sort of auctions long before “rescues” became the thing. I’ve bought plenty of useable horses from these sorts of auctions.
But not all will be wanted. Just like those 4-5 million cats/dogs. That is simply the hard, cold fact of living.
OK – an admitted rant. But from my observations this whole situation has caused more suffering for horses in general than what we started with…
AC4H
They assist a kill buyer. From what I understand, this kill buyer buys two seperate groups of horses at New Holland… a load to immediately ship and a load for AC4H to sell and everyone makes money on. My experience with this group of women is that they are dishonest, misled and threatening. I personally saw a horse that just came from the ‘rescue’ part of this operation… it was in AWFUL shape. It’s all about the money.
When the economy tanked three years ago or more, I read about euthanisa clinics that were being organized in order to save the owners some money on the vet and the renderer pickup. Have not heard about this in some time.
The last time I put down a horse (due to colic), I think I was out $600 for the vet and truck.
People who have lost their job and home do not have a spare $600 to be kind to a horse who has been part of their family.
Maybe there needs to be a “euthanasia fund” to take care of these horses with dignity.
[QUOTE=Kyzteke;5660318]
Now, if there was a humane slaughter house in New Holland, just think – maybe those poor horses could finally get a rest. Sounds like they’ve been hauled all over east jesus already. Thrown in transport with strange horses; held in large pens with strange horses. Who knows how well they are being treated.
And how is this any different that being transported to slaughter? The horses don’t know where they are going or why. They live moment to moment.
So explain to me again how this is helping these animals?
I’m telling you – the smart answer is to build MORE plants, lobby for very strict transport standards, more inspections and humane processing. .[/QUOTE]
YES YES YES YES YES
You know, I just read that last year between 4-6 MILLION cats/dogs/puppies/kittens were put to sleep. 4-6 MILLION!!
Yet somehow folks are thinking we are going to place every horse out there who doesn’t “fit.” Not going to happen, folks! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Key words: Put to sleep.
There’s enough interest (on this forum alone) in that mare to PAY $1200 for her… it sure sounds like someone here would have taken her for free. BUT, was she ever ‘offered’. That’s my point. Someone had to make a buck and someone else is trying to make a bigger buck off of her. Chronicle forums offers a FREE place to advertise FREE horses. But nope… she was never listed now was she?
Want to rescue a horse…go to the auction and buy some poor sad lame horse and either rehab it or put it down. Sending ridiculous sums of money to AC4H because they’re pulling on your heartstrings just enables them to continue.
Have you ever watched a horse (or cow or pig or any other animal 95% of us eat daily?) be slaughtered?
Or some of the ones who get “put to sleep” that fight it, flip, struggle, etc.?
It’s not always pretty either way, but there ARE ways to make it as “humane as possible.”
Again, as far as I’m concerned, the only ones who are blameless are vegetarians…'cause you will never convince me cattle/pigs/sheep/etc suffer any less than horses…
