Dutrow openly criticizing Kent Desormeaux

[Glimmerglass]

Dutrow and Kent meet this morning …

ESPN June 11, 2008 “Dutrow says he, Desormeaux are ‘back on target’”

Big Brown’s trainer Rick Dutrow Jr. says he and jockey Kent Desormeaux are back on the same page after meeting Wednesday morning – a day after Dutrow publicly questioned Desormeaux’s handling of the horse in the Belmont Stakes.

Big Brown, the biggest Belmont favorite since Spectacular Bid in 1979, flamed out in stunning fashion, with Kent Desormeaux easing him up coming out of the second turn.

ESPN’s Jeannine Edwards confirmed that Dutrow and Desormeaux met Wednesday at 8 a.m. at Aqueduct in New York.

Dutrow told Edwards that he and Desormeaux are “back on target,” adding “I just feel better because he came by to talk about [the Belmont ride].”

Big Brown, an overwhelming favorite to win the Belmont and become horse racing’s first Triple Crown winner in 30 years, had nothing left on the final turn and was pulled up by Desormeaux with a quarter mile to go. Da’ Tara, a 38-1 long shot, was the surprise wire-to-wire winner.

On Monday, Dutrow told reporters that since there was nothing wrong with Big Brown physically, he had to question his rider’s tactics.

“I’m sure he didn’t have any idea what the hell was going on going into the first turn the way [Desormeaux] was switching him all over the damn track,” Dutrow said Monday. “I don’t know what he was doing.”

Desormeaux said Monday that his plan was to go to the lead, but that Big Brown slipped coming out of the gate and that he was pinched back a length. He said that he pulled Big Brown up because he wasn’t going to finish anywhere but last.

“Given the situation I was in, there’s nothing I could have done differently,” Desormeaux said Monday on Dan Patrick’s radio show. “I would have only hoped to break smarter. If we do it over again 100 more times, he’s probably going to leave three in front and all they would have seen was his tail.”

Michael Iavarone, co-president of the group which is part-owner of Big Brown, told The New York Times in Tuesday’s edition that he did not think Desormeaux had a poor ride.

“We didn’t tell Kent to ease Big Brown,” Iavarone told The Times, “but we’re glad he did. Kent was worried about the horse, and we’re all glad that he brought him home healthy.”

Dutrow said that unless Big Brown shows signs of a physical problem, the colt will be pointed to the Travers Stakes on Aug. 23 at Saratoga and then the Breeders’ Cup Classic in October.

He also said that he will resume the horse’s regular regimen of Winstrol injections on Sunday, despite claiming Big Brown does not need steroids.

Dutrow has maintained that Big Brown was properly prepared for the race, dismissing speculation the horse underperformed because he had been taken off steroids since April 15.

“He doesn’t need any drugs; the Winstrol had nothing to do with it,” Dutrow said. “I’ve never even had a vet look at this horse.”

Sounds like this is the end of the discussion.

[Tiramit]

Dutrow’s last statement is mighty interesting considering he’s claimed to have been checking for injuries and illnesses since the race. And it’s interesting that he’s injecting without first clearing the horse physically.

Very responsible trainer.

[katarine]

If there was a shred of a chance Dutrow was a decent guy, much less a decent trainer, now it’s totally out the window. He’s willy nilly throwing shots at this horse, then not, then he is, vets are nowhere to be found, b/c he knows more than any vet anyway, blah blah blah, and I can’t imagine what happened that he pulled Prado off to give the colt to Kent. What an asshat.

[hitchinmygetalong]

“He doesn’t need any drugs; the Winstrol had nothing to do with it,” Dutrow said. “I’ve never even had a vet look at this horse.”

Which begs the obvious question: If the horse doesn’t need any drugs, why is he giving the horse drugs?

[hessy35]

[QUOTE=Tiramit;3281481]
Dutrow’s last statement is mighty interesting considering he’s claimed to have been checking for injuries and illnesses since the race. And it’s interesting that he’s injecting without first clearing the horse physically.

Very responsible trainer. ;)[/QUOTE]

I think Dutrow meant his horse never needed to see a vet prior to the Belmont.

[Larksmom]

The Shoe and GM

[QUOTE=findeight;3281366]
Nobody knows or will ever.

Bold Ruler heh? That is going back some.

No, I don’t think either the young Shoemaker or KD threw the races. But those that grasp at straws to support themselves will be looking to place blame.[/QUOTE]

I think we have all read too many Dick Francis novels
:lol:

[harvestmoon]

[QUOTE=katarine;3281532]
If there was a shred of a chance Dutrow was a decent guy, much less a decent trainer, now it’s totally out the window. He’s willy nilly throwing shots at this horse, then not, then he is, vets are nowhere to be found, b/c he knows more than any vet anyway, blah blah blah, and I can’t imagine what happened that he pulled Prado off to give the colt to Kent. What an asshat.[/QUOTE]

I thought the owner pulled Prado, not Dutrow? Anyway, the whole thing is getting tiring. I love the horse, though.

[merrygoround]

[QUOTE=katarine;3281532]
If there was a shred of a chance Dutrow was a decent guy, much less a decent trainer, now it’s totally out the window. He’s willy nilly throwing shots at this horse, then not, then he is, vets are nowhere to be found, b/c he knows more than any vet anyway, blah blah blah, and I can’t imagine what happened that he pulled Prado off to give the colt to Kent. What an asshat.[/QUOTE]

I HAD been pulling for Dutrow, despite his big mouth. I’m wondrin what I was thinkin.

[Tiramit]

@hessy35;3281551

I think Dutrow meant his horse never needed to see a vet prior to the Belmont.

Oh, I understood what he was trying to say BUT that means that he was supplementing without a baseline, did not do a pre-screen to check the horse while in training (NEVER, not even when he had foot issues?) and stuck a horse all on his own advice.

Of course, if the horse never needed a vet before and it ran out of gas mid-race that just means it had been poorly conditioned. That’s a tranining issue Dutrow. :lol:

[agedbayhunter]

[QUOTE=hessy35;3281551]
I think Dutrow meant his horse never needed to see a vet prior to the Belmont.[/QUOTE]

Oh boy…a horse that never needed a vet in three years…I need to get one of those. (But first there’s a bridge I have to buy…)

[findeight]

Yeah…and the guy also claimed a vet started him out on the Winstrol but he, RD, didn’t know what it did. When questioned about getting booted for a spell when one of the 'caine family of drugs showed up in a post race test, he claimed he didn’t even know what it did.

Think I’m over this whole thing anyway. We’ll see if he makes Saratoga.

[katarine]

yep, you’re right it was the owner not Dutrow that swapped jocks. not sure WHY you swap at this point? Like someone said- its’ all been wavy gravy and that bunch of goons pulls the steroids, swap riders, neglect the jug, stupid and arrogant and holierthanthou, that’s what it is.

If he ever steps into a starting gate again, I’ll watch. Otherwise, I’m left with a sour taste about that horse and his peeps, all the way round.

[wabadou]

[QUOTE=hitchinmygetalong;3281533]
Which begs the obvious question: If the horse doesn’t need any drugs, why is he giving the horse drugs?[/QUOTE]

And, I guess my question would be (and I’m not a racing person, I’m an eventing person
How do the folks in the $50 million dollar breeding syndication feel about the steroids ???

Are most racehorses on steroids?? Doesn’t this frequently affect them with regard to reproduction?

Just a thought…

[Coral]

[QUOTE=wabadou;3282712]
And, I guess my question would be (and I’m not a racing person, I’m an eventing person
How do the folks in the $50 million dollar breeding syndication feel about the steroids ???

Are most racehorses on steroids?? Doesn’t this frequently affect them with regard to reproduction?

Just a thought…[/QUOTE]

If you look in the BB thread there’s a post (from Glimmer I think?) that states that the 50 million figure is quite a bit overstated They’ve actually only been paid $5 mil for a 10% stake… not that it really addresses your question, just thought I’d clarify since I dislike “creative maths”.

ETA link: BB thread

[Twomanydawgs]

I thought BB was walking like my old navicular horse in the paddock prior to race…I’m convinced he was not 100%…Dutrow??..definate arsehole…nickel bit trainer…always was…always will be…anyone notice Funny Cide is now a pony horse???

[wabadou]

[QUOTE=Twomanydawgs;3282745]
I thought BB was walking like my old navicular horse in the paddock prior to race…I’m convinced he was not 100%…Dutrow??..definate arsehole…nickel bit trainer…always was…always will be…anyone notice Funny Cide is now a pony horse???[/QUOTE]

Ditto regarding BB in the paddock ,

That’s so interesting about Funny Cide,
I would love to see pictures!!

If he’s no longer racing, I’m glad he has a job. Hopefully, he will be able to do something like that and then have a graceful retirement, unlike so many.

[wabadou]

[QUOTE=Coral;3282732]
If you look in the BB thread there’s a post (from Glimmer I think?) that states that the 50 million figure is quite a bit overstated They’ve actually only been paid $5 mil for a 10% stake… not that it really addresses your question, just thought I’d clarify since I dislike “creative maths”.

ETA link: BB thread[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification!!
I’m trying to remember where I read the $50 mill…it was shocking, to say the least.
I’d love to know what percentage of stallions that race on steroids go on to be 100% in the breeding shed…would be very interesting to see just how much of a risk is taken by giving them

[grayarabpony]

I remember reading about Funny Cide now being a pony horse. Hopefully he’s stopped running away with people, lol.

[Twomanydawgs]

I believe Funny was the pony horse for BT’s horse in the Belmont. They made reference to him being a pony horse before the race.

[JER]

Here’s a cute photo of Funny Cide and Big Brown at Belmont.

Love Funny’s expression.