Early barn hours?

For a one off, I have three different types of hay in my hay barn.
A. Tested low NSC that costs $$
B. Tested w/ moderate high NSC - horse candy
Both are orchard mixes.
C. High octane alfalfa candy that costs $$$

If my pony accident got B or C hay, he’d probably get laminitis. A and B hay look pretty much the same, one has orange string and one has orange and blue string.

The low NSC gets fed in pasture plus pony stall, other stuff goes to other horses with no metabolic issues. I wouldn’t trust a boarder to get it right.

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Completely understandable. I have bought my own hay, and do especially for my trailer when I travel, but I realize I am one person and one situation. Hence my comment about communication. My situation of riding early means my mare and her pasture buddy get fed, not extra, nothing wasted same thing they would get an hour or so later. It works for the barn that I’m at and the workers appreciate having a bit less to do.

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I’m a morning person, so I’m very sympathetic to the OP–it would drive me crazy, especially in the summer, not being able to ride until the sun was up and the best part of the day exercise-wise, was gone. Most barns I rode at, however, didn’t allow for before-work-hours riding. Often, the trainers were riding the horses in training during the earliest “best” hours and didn’t want boarders/lessons clogging up the space. I think the earliest hours barns allowed riding was 7:30am-8:30am at the barns I’d ridden at. Sometimes it was also because the owner lived on property and didn’t want people on their property that early, as well as the worker schedules @beowulf referred to above.

At a barn where I was just taking lessons, one trainer who said she wasn’t a morning person didn’t start lessons until around noon, every day, except on Saturday. This was really annoying in the summer, since it meant the entire lesson was devoted to managing the heat in a way that it wouldn’t have been earlier, and it’s certainly better for the horses to work during the cooler parts of the day.

But all the OP can do is ask and see–ultimately, however, barns are a business, and all have different degrees of flexibility, depending on size/ formality. I can definitely understand why barns don’t want boarders feeding hay, though, just based on personal observations! (Especially if there’s different kinds of hay available.)

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This is why hay before grain is so important.
It also allows time to observe horses to be sure everyone is feeling ok before turning them out and not seeing them as easily to see a problem.

I gotta sweep or blow or vac after stalls anyway, plus I need to put hay in stalls for dinner anyway.
I’m already making a mess I gotta clean up.

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Agreed but also I don’t think I’ve been at a single barn that throws hay in the AM before grain if the horses are going out right after breakfast. Hay is thrown in the fields.

I also agree that bringing a flake of hay in when everyone else is out or almost out can get some barns really noisy and have horses start pacing.

Perfect world is overnight turnout in the summer. It’s rare I’ve had a barn care if one horse comes in. The winter is harder but since I don’t ride before work in the winter I’ve never navigated that. No BO has ever minded but I’m again pulling a horse in from a field every time and it’s been small barns where it’s rare for anyone to be out before 7, when I’m usually cooling off.

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Interesting.
I have.
Almost all of them.

No hay in fields except winter, as we have grass.
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Do they keep horses in for the next hour to finish their hay and grain before turnout or are they pulled off any residual hay? Do they typically feed hay loose or do they refill nets?

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Both in nets and on ground, depends on the horse.

Yes, the horses may be in a while before going out. When there’s more than a few horses, turnout takes a minute. And sometimes weather or the condition of the ground delays turnout too.

Training them to chill with hay until is an excellent habit.
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Whatever works for your particular barn owner and situation is fine.

In most of the facilities where I’ve boarded, it is a significant problem if boarders get into the hay, not because the boarders mean anything but well, but because a lot of people untrained in the expected amount of hay to feed dipping into the supply ends up creating some combination of additional expense and even premature shortage that impacts when the next delivery is needed. Hay isn’t that expensive by the flake but it gets very pricey very fast when you multiply it by lots of people (especially in more urban barns where the hay is trucked in) taking ‘just a little.’

As always, communication is key and treasure and respect any barn management who trusts you enough to use from their supply of hay or bedding.

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Hm, it may have been easier for me because my mare is an easy keeper, and everyone knew that, so knew I would not sneak her “extra” hay. It’s not like I’ve ever been the person complaining that there isn’t enough hay – although I will speak up if my mare won’t eat it… because that means it’s bad hay. She’s not fussy!

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I dont often ride early morning - especially now that I am retired! But I did have fellow boarders who did so at three different stables. In those cases they worked something out with the BO/BM.
None wanted you to toss hay. Going into hay storage or the feed room was expressly forbidden. That was what would get the other horses anticipating getting fed. Instead, they could discreetly give their horse hay pellets or whatever they brought from home. And in the bigger stables, boarder could not be in the aisle when workers were turning out or otherwise needed clear space.

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Nobody, not one person here, is talking about “boarders getting into the hay.” That’s a completely separate problem from what is being discussed here which is an agreement between early riders and their BO’s and what protocol is for their individual barn.

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How do boarders toss Dobbin a flake of hay while they are getting their tack together if the boarder does not get into the hay?

I feel like it has been discussed multiple times, the early boarders giving hay, which equals the boarders getting into the hay.

Edit to add to clarify - I am simply pointing out to the person I quoted that said no one had discussed boarders getting into the hay.
I agree it is worth discussing.

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I think it is a worthwhile discussion because many boarders may be oblivious to the cost or nuisance of this (it’s possible to take “horses should have unlimited access to forage” at face value without considering the practicalities). So, it’s worth raising the topic to emphasize how and why that might make a BO less amenable to accommodating a person’s early barn hours. Same goes for considering their schedule for dragging the arena, or whether they’d like to have staff-only hours to do the training rides and exercise the school horses. All might be valid reasons why a particular barn would prefer to limit boarders’ use of the facilities. But anticipating those reasons and proactively thinking through solutions could help a boarder plan their early morning rides in the least intrusive/most sustainable way.

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I used to have a large garbage can by my stall (end stall near door) and I’d put ky own hay in it. When I wanted a flake I’d just reach in and get it. I could have just rolled the can into the stall to take it out if super stealth was needed LOL

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“Getting into hay” and having an agreement with the BO to toss hay when you’re there early are two entirely different things.

And even if we’re going to dive into semantics about what “getting into” means or implies, I’ve been at places that set out breakfast hay (and sometimes grain) by each stall door so whoever is there first thing can just open doors and push feed in. So giving hay doesn’t necessarily even involve going into the hay stores to grab it.

Honestly, I feel like there are far too many folks on this thread who are single-mindedly ignoring the very clear writing of others because they don’t have the scope to think outside their very own confining little boxes.

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I do agree with this. Totally.

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This is interesting.

I thought the whole point of having a feed room with a door that closed was to keep the horses safe if they happen to get loose, so they do not get into the feed. Silly horses lack self control with these things. Leaving feed in the aisle is an interesting idea. No barn I have ever been associated with has done that.

I have said since the beginning that people should talk to their barn owners about this coming early thing. I have no problem if there is an agreement.

The thread is simply discussing all the things that might include, or not include, and the many reasons why a barn owner might not like the idea of people coming early.

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Just my thinking but this is a bad practice on several levels. What if a horse happens to get out? It allows rodents free access to grain but I guess this is solution you get when you :

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Yup. However, I’ve been at 3 now. Hay on the floor. Feed in sealed containers either on the floor or hanging. Feed amounts are super small so I e never worried. And then there’s also the properly closed and latched stall door thing + content horses with hay in front of them to last the night so they’re not really motivated to try to leave. Any that just have that tendency to rabble rouse have had extra latches installed on their particular doors.

Is it my choice? Nope, but it’s also not my choice when I’m at such a place and I need to be ok with it. The breakfast hay outside of each stall was never an issue and I have zero problem with that. I got over myself with the breakfast feed.

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In a case I am aware of, that philosophy was the cause of founder. Horse was the prototypical “air plant.” Owner was a soft touch who wanted her baby to have hay in front of his nose 24/7. He became obese and foundered.

I have NEVER heard of giving hay before working a horse and have never had GI issues with my horses.

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