A lot of the color “breeds” aren’t really breeds (pedigree based), but rather registries that horses are inspected into and can then do things like show and earn points under that registry. You couldn’t have a breed made up of only palominos, because your breeding would end up in a lot of chestnuts and cremellos in addition to more palominos.
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Well, Appy’s are definitely their own kettle of fish. I like how the Nez Perce are adding Akhal-Teke into the breed to get back to original type, which was certainly not a Quarter Horse in spotted pajamas.
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I’m trying to figure out how Akhal-Teke’s are going to bring the breed back to its original type. Would PREs make more sense?
Not according to the Nez Perce. Their original horses were rangy fast endurance horses, good for traveling long distances and outrunning buffalo herds on arid western plains. When you think about it, both PREs and Quarter Horses owe a lot of their type to managing cows.
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Worse, when the ad advertises an eight0month old filly colt. I’m sure it has something to do with the confusion brought on by Drag Queen Story Hour.
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@fledermaus Your Appaloosa description is spot-on for the original breed. They got ugly when the Military took the Nez Perces’ horses away and crossed them with any crappy animal around so the Indians would have no good animals to revolt with in the future. This is where the bad builds, bad heads came from. Previous to their final surrender, their Appaloosa were greatly desired horses, hard to come by and greatly prized by everyone who got their hands on one. The Nez Perce gelded stallions, the only tribe to do that. Their breeding program certainly proved the Appaloosas’ worth when the Nez Perce tribe outran, out-fought the Cavalry, trying to escape into Canada. This on grass-fed, barefoot horses, with women and children needing protection and food as they went, against grain-fed, shod horses with supply wagons for support. The Indians were trapped right at the Border by a flooded river. Some could have escaped across the river, but most people and horses would die crossing, which is why Chief Joseph surrendered. The only folks who ever beat the US Cavalry.
The pictures of old-style Appaloosas were indeed rangy, mile covering horses, more like old TBs than QH types. Easy gaited for those hours/days in the saddle or bareback. These were the horses I liked as a kid, before the QH look got popular.
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Wouldn’t TBs make more sense? For some reason I doubt there was a lot of recent Akhal-Teke blood in the NA appaloosas that were imported way back when. It would have likely been well diluted before it hit the NA shores.
Akhal-Tekhes are one of (okay, not proven but I totally believe it) the main progenitors of the TB. Take a look at pictures of the Byerly Turk. But the present Akhal-Tekhe is a tougher breed, much closer to the original Turkmen horses of the Eurasian steppe (which is a vast harsh area similar to the American plains, and also ideal for horses and horse culture).
The original Spanish horses were introduced in the seventeenth century to the Americas. The TB hadn’t really been invented then? But Spain would have long had access to North African and Middle Eastern horses.
Also, I’m thinking, it is maybe not so much the actual genetics that are what the Nez Perce are seeking out, but the similar type, similar climate adaptation, and similar horse culture and usage; the Turkmen people were historically pastoral nomads.
I find the whole thing fascinating although we’re a long way from grammar peeves now.
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Cool history, goodhors.
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I would agree with the choice of the Tekes for hardiness, being easy keepers (though not overweight, too fat, that is seen in feed advertising photos) on sparse grazing, GOOD HOOVES that manage just fine without shoes, over tough, rocky ground. Natural wear on rocks, sand, lets horse hoof do what his body needs in “the trim” without being humanly corrected. Start with a balanced horse, hooves usually wear off evenly in use.
I feel modern TBs would mostly be a poor choice to cross with these days They are not the same hardy type horse that TBs were when the land was being settled or back when the TB Breed originated in the late 1700s, early 1800s. Different brains, sturdy better bodies, solid proportionate sized hooves-to-bodies to do mileage day after day. All characteristics allowing old style TB to be more adapatable to jobs besides racing. Sacrifices had to be made over the years to get the present phenomenal speed.
I like the crossing with Appy and Tekes, have not looked recently to see how their program was doing. Among Teke charicteristics noted is a terrific connection to humans, and they often have favorites, which helps the nomadic people work with them in daily life. Like other Heritage breeds of animals’ specialties, it may or may not be as useful in the modern world.
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Is Palomino a breed? No, it’s a color.
You have it backwards. Most Paint horses are QH types (breeding must be Paint, QH, and/or TB) and are involved in Western disciplines. There are several Pinto horse associations that are based on color alone, and have nothing to do with discipline.
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I have responded to silliness on the forums by typing, Asspantio! but I’d never use the term anywhere else. I’d start laughing and probably be carted away to the nearest mental health facility.
The poster made an honest mistake when typing, it was unintentional, which made it that much more entertaining.
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My tobiano Art Deco mare (dating myself) was out of a Jockey Club TB mare. So she had an Oldenburg brand, but I also registered her pinto. A western type horse she was not. 
Then we had a colt sired by Fabius, a bay Trakehner, out of a Jockey Club TB mare that happened to be what I’d describe as an odd sabino coloring. The colt was a loud overo: four high stockings, white face, several body patches. We sold him to Rainbow Canyon Ranch (Mary Gatti’s place near L.A.) and they showed him as a hunter under the name Paint the Town. But nope, wasn’t actually a Paint. He was a registered Anglo-Trakehner.
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The one that bothers me is “Shop local”…shop locally, please.
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Some of these may be legit goofs, others maybe due to cell phone spell checks which don’t differentiate between equestrian lingo.
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I’ve noticed that for a few days. I love how a thread can morph into an entirely different subject. I’m diggin’ it.
Way back when I was a kid, in California my first ever riding lesson consisted of learning about certain breeds and colors - Western differentiates between chestnuts and sorrels, English they’re both chestnuts. My Irish horse’s sire was a chestnut but listed as “brown” on his pedigree (vs chestnut or bay). Any white + color (except Appaloosas) were called paints or pintos - used interchangeably or sometimes piebald or skewbalds. But all paints or pintos. then came Paints have to have some QH blood, where now pintos are WB types. and then they came up with the tobiano, overo etc
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I was momentarily mortified to hear a rider talking about her “colored pony” she competed as a youngster. As a Southerner in the US, the language gave me a start 
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Oh
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What about bay roans? Mostly because they are my favorite of the roans 
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Considering Standardbreds are about 90% bay, if not 95%, it’s odd they’d leave that out, totally disregarding their colour descriptions are 100% genetically incorrect for grey.
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