Nope. Never have. 63 years old, 30 years in private practice not a single person of color. All I see are people. Good people, bad people and now, a lot of stupid people. The misguided social justice warriors here remind me of the old time Revival Bible thumpers. REPENT SINNERS!!! Holier-than-thou pains in the a** to be avoided at al costs. This was my generation, I was 11 when he was murdered, fortunately his legacy lived on. Until now. Treating people differently on the basis of skin color is the very definition of racism.
âPink haired nihilistâ and âhelmet hair + BLMâ are 2 other twitter thought leaders with some strong opinions on this whole situation.
They have apparently added Chris Talley to the list of upper level eventers they now loathe⊠because, ya know, heâs such a difficult to get along with person :rolleyes:
Wouldnât all of the USEF contracts have been in the name of Plantation Field Equestrian Events. So that deal was out the window - right quick like. :lol:
Many more serious implications too.
If SI gets ahold of it, it will not be pretty.
That is (well, was) certainly an option, but I think at least some of the people involved were trying for a better outcome than that.
As for Intercourse, or the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, or Morven Park, or a whole bunch of other names, one tries to look at things in context and apply some informed judgment and hope one gets it right. I think thereâs enough shared negative association with the word âPlantationâ that itâs a bad look, and if it was quietly changed at some point (I would bet a fair amount it would not have lasted to 2021) most people would say âyeah, that was comingâ and move on, a few people would be aggrieved, and a bunch more would be quietly happy about it. I donât think âMorven Parkâ has that kind of association and I donât think âCampâ has that kind of association, but who knows what the future may bring. (Even in the case of Rhode Island there may be enough well-known context for the full name that it stays.)
Iâm on board with the âforce a fix or burn it downâ approach sometimes, too, but itâs good to be sure that burning it down is actually an improvement over what was there before. I have no inside knowledge whatsoever but based on past reading of EN (and subsequently giving up on them) I have no trouble believing they were rampaging bozos about it all, that seems to be how they roll. (I like my irreverant and controversial news sources just fine, but itâs a hard path to get right sometimes. Also their web site sucks.)
Appreciate context. Apply considered judgment. Maybe bring some empathy along.
Why do you think that? What more could possibly be said? The story has already come out in the local news and the Philadelphia Inquirer reported on it. My guess is that was something that Mr. Walker cares much more about than SI. The coverage in the Philly Inquirer was pretty basic though⊠not completely fair⊠but not overly sensationalized either.
But why does only the âassociationâ with the name of the venue matter, and not the actual history of the venue matter?
If the history of slavery and oppression in America is awful enough for people to feel like the word âplantationâ is just too loaded to continue to have a competition with that as part of the name⊠why is it then simultaneously apparently fine for USEA, USEF and EN to just ignore the actual documented history of certain abuses that actually took place on the grounds of Morven Park in the mansion, which is currently featured on the cover image on Facebook pertaining to the upcoming event?
I get it if others are just staying silent because they donât want cancel culture coming for that event. Iâm fairly positive it wonât. The USEA is right there in Leesburg⊠they wonât cancel or lecture Morven. Itâs just a truly bizarre giant pink elephant, so to speak, thatâs literally sitting right in their own backyard right nowâŠ
I am quoting this to bump the info & point.
I donât suppose USEA, USEF and EN offered to cover those costs, did they? I looked at PFEEâs 990 and those costs couldnât be borne.
But why does only the âassociationâ with the name of the venue matter, and not the actual history of the venue matter?
If the history of slavery and oppression in America is awful enough for people to feel like the word âplantationâ is just too loaded to continue to have a competition with that as part of the name⊠why is it then simultaneously apparently fine for USEA, USEF and EN to just ignore the actual documented history of certain abuses that actually took place on the grounds of Morven Park in the mansion, which is currently featured on the cover image on Facebook pertaining to the upcoming event?
I get it if others are just staying silent because they donât want cancel culture coming for that event. Iâm fairly positive it wonât. The USEA is right there in Leesburg⊠they wonât cancel or lecture Morven. Itâs just a truly bizarre giant pink elephant, so to speak, thatâs literally sitting right in their own backyard right nowâŠ
They will either have to go to Blue BallâŠor Paradise.
(Folks who donât get itâŠthis is an inside joke for the locals)
Maybe Virginville will offer to host?
Donât knowâŠsounds like Big Beaver might be a better place.
Though after looking at the self-descriptions in twitterland, I think Iâm moving to Asylum.
The self descriptions from twitterland are truly hilarious. âPink Haired Nihilistâ seems to be profoundly concerned about a variety of social issues, and passionately committed to a deeply liberal set of principles and topics of concern.
Which would indicate she doesnât understand the meaning of the word ânihilist.â Which makes me wonder why she is so certain that she is qualified to have such a strong opinion on the word âplantationâÂ
But hey⊠she is who she is, and is a nihilist who is blessed to have the courage of her convictions :lol:
On that same train of thought, anybody want to give USEA a history lesson about where the city of Leesburg, VA got its name?
If the word plantation is so offensive to them that they have to asterisk it in thier press releases, I can only imagine how triggering it is for them every time they have to write their address and be reminded of who the most famous descendent of the founder (who also owned slaves) was. They might want to consider moving thier headquarters.
In 1757 the Assembly of Virginia selected this settlement for the location of the Loudoun County courthouse. The land was then owned by Nicholas Minor, who hired John Hough to survey and plat his 60 acres into 70 lots to form a town, which he called George Town. The name was changed to Leesburg the following year, in honor of the Lee family. In September 1758, an Act of the Assembly established the Town of Leesburg, although the town was not incorporated until 1813.
By 1850, Leesburg had grown to 1,688 residents. From the earliest settlers, Leesburgâs residents had included slaves. Unlike slaves in rural Loudoun County, Leesburgâs slaves were often skilled artisans, worked in shops, or worked in their ownerâs homes. Mixed with the diversity of the religious and political opinions on slavery held by its white residents, Leesburgâs relationship with the institution was complicated and sometimes contradictory. Many of Leesburgâs Quakers, Methodists and Presbyterians were active in the Loudoun chapter of the American Colonization Society, which sought to send freed slaves to the new colony of Liberia, in Africa.
A Chronological View of Events:
1709-1720s: The initial settlers populate their grants of land with slaves and white overseers. One overseer superintends fewer than a dozen slaves. After clearing land they plant corn, wheat, and tobacco, the main crops in colonial times.
Early 1730s: Slaves comprise more than half of the early settlers, as absentee landlords settle them in âNegro Quartersâ run by a white overseer.
https://www.loudounhistory.org/history/african-american-chronology/
More lowlights:
1806:Virginia General Assembly decrees that any African American person emancipated after May 1806 has 12 months to leave Virginia or face re-enslavement.
1808:U.S. ends importation of enslaved people.
1818: A letter from âJudexâ (a court arbitrator) in Leesburgâs Genius of Liberty, warns that teaching slaves to read and write is illegal. âNegroes, teachers and justices look to it: the order of society must prevail over the notions of individuals.âÂ
1850: At mid-century persons owning the most slaves: Elizabeth Carter (widow of George Carter) of Oatlands, 85; Lewis Berkeley of Aldie, 58; John P. Dulany of Welbourne, 52; John A. Carter of Crednal, 32; Townsend McVeigh of Valley View, 31; Humphrey Brooke Powell, of The Shades, 27. All except Mrs. Carter live in the Aldie-to-Upperville corridor.
Of a population of 22,679, 5,641 or 24.1 percent are slaves; 1,357 or 5.6 percent are free Negroes. Loudoun registers its largest pre-war black population.
Apparently we should repent of the sins of our ancestors, even if our ancestors werenât in this country when slavery existedâŠ, following Leviticus and Exodus. At least, that seems to be what Twitter wantsâŠwho knew it was all Bible Thumpers!? Lol! Pity we donât follow the Iroquoisâ seven generation principle about looking Forward instead of back.
Iâm sorry, that is solid snark. At least, maybe we will start to have conversations about the relationships between landowners, organizers, and competitors? That would be a wonderful silver lining in this mess.
âWell, every person Iâve asked equates plantations to slaveryâ - Every person who doesnât understand statistics or how insignificant their anecdotal evidence is in the scheme of things.
To build on that⊠as a Jew, I have been biting my tongue, but have to comment on the ridiculous spewing of how the rest of the world cannot use the swastika since Hitler appropriated it as a symbol of Nazism. Another display of how limited your thinking and how narrow your world view is to be able to say so with such petulant condescension. Go to India and look around. A world exists beyond your own existence, one full of people with experiences vastly different from yours, where words and symbols have entirely different meanings. Just because one definition or use can have an offensive meaning does not mean the offended group or culture owns it and gets to decide the rest of society can no longer utter the term.
When an internet mob comes after a person who has been generously providing use of his land for 20 years, I do not fault him for closing the door.
When an internet mob comes at someone with a holier-than-thou, superior, and condescending attitude, a normal reaction would (a) fightâŠor (b) walk away. This owner walked away from a controversy he didnât start, didnât ask for and didnât sign up for.
Perhaps USEA/USEF should require members sign a âSocial Media Policy.â Most large corporations I have worked for require employees to sign a policy prescribing their on-line behavior. Perhaps it is time for USEF/USEA to require same.
The internet mob terrifies me, it can and does ruin people and that is what EN threatened. It also terrifies both of my primary employers (one is tied to Hollywood and the other is a utility company! Strange bedfellows!!)