Eventing Nation booted from covering Event in Unionville, PA

[anon69112984]

First of all I cannot believe this discussion has gone on for 88 pages.

Secondly of all - an issue I’ve already brought to life - it is freakishly hard to take the original EN demand of a name change serious unless they boycott all European Events next to a big house/castle full stop.

Third of all a post I landed on by accident when randomly heading for a page in this mega thread made me search for the article in New York Times which leads me to the following question. WTF is this?

According to data from the United States Equestrian Federation, the organization that governs American horse sports, almost 90 percent of its 185,000 members identify as white.

Are they seriously asking for this information when people become members? 😱😱😱

[FitzE]

@pluvinel

All of the above is true…and totally irrelevant.

The point is that anyone can post offensive speech…as long as it is allowed in whatever internet platform they are using…and that speech is protected by law.

And all of you who disagree with what that person says are free to ignore/shun the person whose postings you disagree with.

So perhaps you can ignore me.

a: if the facts of the 1st Amendment are irrelevant, why did you bring it up?

b: “The point is that anyone can post offensive speech…as long as it is allowed in whatever internet platform they are using…and that speech is protected by law.” This is not true. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal protection for speech.

I’ll tell you who my Con Law professor was and you tell me yours and we’ll take it to the two of them. Mine loves to address this exact issue.

Again NO STATE ACTOR = NO 1A ISSUE.

Full stop.

[MorganSercu]

@eventingmania

First of all I cannot believe this discussion has gone on for 88 pages.

Secondly of all - an issue I’ve already brought to life - it is freakishly hard to take the original EN demand of a name change serious unless they boycott all European Events next to a big house/castle full stop.

Third of all a post I landed on by accident when randomly heading for a page in this mega thread made me search for the article in New York Times which leads me to the following question. WTF is this?

Are they seriously asking for this information when people become members? 😱😱😱

See page 5. They can ask but that doesn’t mean anyone has to answer.

https://www.usef.org/forms-pubs/ehrgYEuZEXg/diversity-equity-inclusion-action

[MorganSercu]

@FitzE

a: if the facts of the 1st Amendment are irrelevant, why did you bring it up?

b: “The point is that anyone can post offensive speech…as long as it is allowed in whatever internet platform they are using…and that speech is protected by law.” This is not true. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal protection for speech.

I’ll tell you who my Con Law professor was and you tell me yours and we’ll take it to the two of them. Mine loves to address this exact issue.

Again NO STATE ACTOR = NO 1A ISSUE.

Full stop.

1A was brought up by either Mr. Glaccum or Mr. Walker somewhere in the midst of all of this. Clearly, they were angry when they wrote it. Maybe even infuriated.

[FitzE]

@MorganSercu

I think it was Mr. Glaccum who brought up 1A. Somehow that got tossed into the bonfire.

Such a mess and a waste. Well, Mr. Walker wins. He regains 100% ownership and control of his land and eventually his privacy too.

People who bring up the 1st Amendment with little understanding of it make such fools of themselves. Sigh.

I think your second point in this post is the best summary of all of this situation: no need to cry for the LO, he comes out just fine: no noisy event on his property, no unhappy neighbors, no hassles, no skin off his nose. As pointed out before, many of the local events no longer run, so this is not outside the life cycle of a typical event of this size in this area. It’s a shame it ended the way it did, but the LO loses nothing and probably gains a lot of peace of mind and good will with the neighbors. He made the right choice for him and I wish him well with his land.

[B_and_B]

@eventingmania

First of all I cannot believe this discussion has gone on for 88 pages.

Are they seriously asking for this information when people become members? 😱😱😱

Do they ask for race on joining? I don’t know. If they do it isn’t for any nefarious reason, I hope, but a cultural one. The US is obsessed with measuring race, nearly every membership survey, government form, or other survey has a box to tick for what race you are. You don’t have to tick the box, but there it is…
It was such a surprise when I was living in Canada and the UK and the forms didn’t have that box!

[MorganSercu]

“Secondly of all - an issue I’ve already brought to life - it is freakishly hard to take the original EN demand of a name change serious unless they boycott all European Events next to a big house/castle full stop.”

Oh, I doubt they’ll do that.

[FitzE]

@MorganSercu

1A was brought up by either Mr. Glaccum or Mr. Walker somewhere in the midst of all of this. Clearly, they were angry when they wrote it. Maybe even infuriated.

I was responding to the poster who tried to school someone with an erroneous overview of the 1st Amendment complete with case law while also mocking her target and belittling their level of education. It was a spectacular fail.:eek:

[pluvinel]

@FitzE

a: if the facts of the 1st Amendment are irrelevant, why did you bring it up?

b: “The point is that anyone can post offensive speech…as long as it is allowed in whatever internet platform they are using…and that speech is protected by law.” This is not true. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal protection for speech.

I’ll tell you who my Con Law professor was and you tell me yours and we’ll take it to the two of them. Mine loves to address this exact issue.

Again NO STATE ACTOR = NO 1A ISSUE.

Full stop.

While the “state actor” may be a test for admissibility in a court of law, it provides guidance for how courts have interpreted US law.

[FitzE]

Again, no. No one objecting to or acting on facebook posts invokes anything related to the 1st amendment or courts interpreting US law or legal protection of speech. Again, who was your Con Law prof?

[FitzE]

@Equkelly

I think we might need something stronger than tea.

I’ll allow only two substitutes: gin or Scotch. Pick your poison!:lol:

[pluvinel]

@FitzE

Again, no. No one objecting to or acting on facebook posts invokes anything related to the 1st amendment or courts interpreting US law or legal protection of speech. Again, who was your Con Law prof?

I am not debating Constitutional Law. I am using a SCOTUS decision to frame how the highest court approached a decision regarding the bounds of offensive speech…yes, where there were a “state actors”. In those cases, the Court opined that offensive speech was protected.

The issue I was addressing here was the indignation over “offensive” posting on the internet.

I simply used the SC decisions to illustrate how offensive speech was treated by the SC…yes, when there is a state actor. And suggested that if the SC can protect offensive speech …where there is a state action… perhaps people who were offended by some Facebook posts should just simply ignore the person.

I am not getting into a ConLaw pissing contest with you. I deal with attorneys in my professional work…and…they like to argue.

[riderboy]

@ladyj79

And given this thread, where the landowner is being consistently painted by people as a white supremacist at best and a gasp! republican at worst, why on earth would he want to let these same people who hate him vehemently and personally on his property ever again?

And as always, why would people who abhor this man want to frequent this event on his property, regardless of the name?

guys, come on.

The cognitive dissonance is real here.

Yep. Iv’e always thought “Woke” was a dog whistle for race baiters and race hustlers black and white. Just like “systemic racism”, newly invented term to keep the concept of victimhood alive and dependence on the “woke” handlers permanent, possibly the cruelest and, long term, the most damaging form of racism. Tip O’Neill said all politics is local. How many of you have friends that you would consider “systemically racist?” Thought so. So once again the arbiters of just how and when and why we should all be offended by some make believe racism are in reality doling out a huge dose of it themselves by claiming that they, privileged whites, have determined for the poor unaware POC that they should be offended by the name Plantation and vigorous action is required. Insulting beyond belief. I don’t blame the poor LO for kicking us out, I just hope the lesson has been learned and the mistake not repeated.

[MorganSercu]

I’m not an attorney and I like to argue!

[ohmyheck]

@FitzE

I’ll allow only two substitutes: gin or Scotch. Pick your poison!:lol:

I’d like to host the first meetup at the gravel bar outside my cave in Boulder. We can sit around a little fire and drinks will be served on the rocks.
All welcome 🍹

[pluvinel]

@MorganSercu

I’m not an attorney and I like to argue!

Your posts are actually more cogent than a lot of attorneys I deal with.

And…well…I admit, I’m guilty of liking a good debate too. Which i guess is why I’m still on this thread.

Which…of course…requires the obligatory Monty Python reference.

[video=youtube_share;ohDB5gbtaEQ]https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ[/video]

[FitzE]

@MorganSercu

I’m not an attorney and I like to argue!

hahaha! A good argument is, indeed, enjoyed by many.

I’m an attorney and I actually don’t like to argue. My main job is to avoid arguments at all costs and get my clients’ deals done.

I do, however, have strong feelings that when things are stated - esp in such a condescending and know-it-all way while mocking the target of the lecture - they are presented correctly. That is all. Talk about your glass houses - eesh!

The misunderstanding of the general public about what the 1st Amendment is and isn’t, what it does and doesn’t do, and its implications with respect to all sorts of situations, are never-ending sources of frustration (and occasionally amusement) for people in my field.

[FitzE]

@ohmyheck

I’d like to host the first meetup at the gravel bar outside my cave in Boulder. We can sit around a little fire and drinks will be served on the rocks.
All welcome 🍹

The Rock Dwellers’ Tea Party!! I like it. I’ll travel a couple thousand miles for that!

[B_and_B]

@ohmyheck

I’d like to host the first meetup at the gravel bar outside my cave in Boulder. We can sit around a little fire and drinks will be served on the rocks.
All welcome 🍹

Thanks for the laugh! I can bring homemade limoncello or applejack! Sure to cure all ills…well until the headache the next day!

[sing]

@ohmyheck

I’d like to host the first meetup at the gravel bar outside my cave in Boulder. We can sit around a little fire and drinks will be served on the rocks.
All welcome 🍹

Sadly, you can sit around a really big fire in Boulder right now.