SF Stallion to consider
Would Edelwiess de Bonce meet your criteria? He just entered the breeding shed so he doesn’t have much on the ground yet but he has a very interesting pedigree and I’m excited to see how his get matures. I have a foal by him who is a leggy, athletic fellow with a great mind.
http://www.avalon-equine.com/offspring-by-edelweiss-de-bonce.html
Hi PF…Aberjack is GOV approved and registered, his # is DE304 04 00229 90 so his offspring will once again registerable as warmblood. This might make some difference to where he is listed in your chart. He has older registered offspring from many different breeds if you check the USEF listings and his approval was let lapse back in 07. Thanks for your organization of this information for mare owners!
I think Comet Shine is worth adding to the list. I think he’s standing to sport horses now.
Edelweiss de Bonce has everything to make a top notch event horse sire.
Matt, What about Warrick. Do you think he should be on the list. Currently competing advanced and 3*.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/warrick5
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Would Edelwiess de Bonce meet your criteria? [/QUOTE]
These specific criteria, not to my knowledge, but that does not mean he can’t be a good eventing sire. According to the Horse Telex website, he is about 83% ox/xx, which is good (I think much of that percentage, however, is ox from the dam). I know that Alme on the sire line is good for jumpers, and there could be something on the A/A side of his pedigree about which I am unaware – as I mentioned, I admittedly don’t know the ins and outs of the French Selle Francais and Anglo-Arabian eventers. The big unknowns as I understand them about him is that he’s only got 3 or so years of foals on the ground, and his career was dressage-oriented, so there just aren’t that many data points yet. I know that others more knowledgeable than me think highly of him, however, so if eventing breeders are flocking to him, we may have more data points soon.
I also want to point out that while I make my own breeding decisions, I do not consider myself an expert on each of these stallions, and my list is more about data and what has been discussed here and elsewhere. It certainly is not a list to end all discussions, and is not intended to be.
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Matt, What about Warrick. Do you think he should be on the list. Currently competing advanced and 3*.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/warrick5[/QUOTE]
That is great Chris – I did not realize he was competing at the 3* level. Congrats!
Thank you so much for compiling this list! It has a great format, and is a great eye opener.
Lotus T
There was an article in the USEA magazine in 2004 about potential young event sires. My stallion, Lotus T was found to be the most suited for that purpose -his 70% TB blood, superb gaits, jumping ability and gallop were the factors as I recall. Since then, even though I thought a lot of his TB crosses were extremely suited for eventing, most of his offspring went into the Hunter, jumper or dressage world. A 3/4 siter to him, Galiba, has been one of the best young event horses in the country. There are a couple of upper level event riders (Traudy Miller-Moss and Chrystal Woodard) have bred to Lotus T and they are now riding the result. He has also been bred to a couple of Windfall mares - can’t wait to see the foals.
Andras does make a good point—many stallions probably would have made good event sires but the offspring jumped in good form, ammie friendly, etc and could go in the more $$$ discpline of the show ring. As folks seem to be willing to pay more for an event horse, that seems to be changing!
I think the ATA has some nice young stallions coming up that may merit looking at in the near future–see Tatendrang (sp?) etc. Abdullah still has frozen and started as an event horse even if he has not been used much for that purposes- there is a good lower level ammie event horse by him that won the AEC.
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There was an article in the USEA magazine in 2004 about potential young event sires. My stallion, Lotus T was found to be the most suited for that purpose .[/QUOTE]
Lotus T is on the chart for that reason.
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Also if Herald is Herald 3, then he’s now here in the US. He too is a Holsteiner and also by Heraldik.[/QUOTE]
Who is handling his breeding in the U.S.? Is he available in 2012?
Throwing another stallion out there, Flagmount’s Freedom. He is ISH, but not inspected. He competed Intermediate (CCI**) and has at least several upper level offspring. He is easily available and produces a huge jump.
http://leaningoaksfarm.com/leaning_oaks_farm_003.htm
Some of his progeny:
Flagmount’s Heartbreaker: Intermediate
Flagmount’s Sterling Prince: Intermediate
Lower Level:
Flagmount’s Irish Riverstone: won AEC’s at Novice last year and Training this year.
There are more competing at the upper levels, but this is all I can think of right now.
Herald 3
The 2nd question is the million dollar question! I just know he’s now owned by Artisan Farms and he should be at WEF this year…I hope.
Thanks for putting together this list. I can add some in the Trakehner department.
US-stationed: Abdullah should make that list for several reasons. 1) His dam produced international eventers, the dam line as a whole stands for versatility like not so many others. 2) He has a very impressive record of being a wonderful match for TB and SF mares, and is now second and third generation in some very convincing eventers (e.g. Ismene du Temple). 3) He evented up to prelim himself, winning the 1976 and 1977 Trakehner Foerderverein Award awarded annually to the most successful ATA purebred Trakehner in eventing.
Incantare (Enrico Caruso - Martini - Bold Excuse xx - Chief’s Choice xx). Evented through Intermediate with Andrew Palmer, FL. His sire produced several good jumpers, but was mostly bred to dressage mares and hence his offspring specialize in that. Enrico’s dam also is dam ot the CCI*** eventer and approved stallion El Greco TSF.
Along the same bloodline - Pavarotti (Enrico Caruso - Donaufürst - Kompass - Virgil), same mare family as the Grafenstolz sire Polarion. Was developed from Novice to CIC** within 18 months by Tamy Smith. Very substantial stallion, and a pretty good match for TBs due to that. Correct, very rideable, great work ethic. Stands in CA.
Sonset’s Sieger (Abdullah - Habicht - Magnet - Marusk ox), from a formidable dam line of performance horses. Evented through prelim himself. Combines two outstanding performers at international levels show jumping and eventing in his first two generations - both also happen to have produced similarly successful get. Habicht is THE eventing line in the Trakehner breed, this is quite the mix here. Sonset’s dam is also dam of the Syncro, Laura Noyes year-long partner at Grand Prix level in dressage (that one by Enrico Caruso).
Special Memories (Abdullah - Cornwall xx - Rustom Sirdar xx - High Cloud xx), for the same reasons as Abdullah above, plus this one comes with a dose of excellent TB (dam is also dam of Touch of Class xx).
Zauberruf (Hibiskus - Friedensfürst - Märchenprinz - Mahagoni), from a successful sport line through his dam (mostly show jumpers). Is currently eventing at intermdiate.
In Europe:
Angloarabian: Bonaparte N AA, international GP show jumper, his sire line has produced several international eventers, and his dam line ditto in show jumping. This pedigree is really hard to beat, the stallion’s performancw record really makes him stand out among today’s “special blood” stallions. If you watch his ronds from the Hambirg Derby (under a complete amateur, son of the owners family) you can easily image his attitude and drive cross country.
Buddenbrock (Sixtus - Diamant - Burnus AAH - Pindar xx). Carries the Habicht-sire Burnus AAH twice in his 3rd generation, qualified and ran at the German Bundeschampionat (eventing) under Adnreas Dibowski, has produced international Grand Prix dressage horses and international eventers. His son Connery is sire of the FEI World Champion Young Horses Charlie Weld.
TB: Cavallieri xx (New Zealand, by Gaius xx - Uncle Remus xx - Shifnal xx - Chartsworth II xx). Excellent performance record, first as a race horse, then after his sale to Switzerland at advanced level eventing and show jumping. Approved by many stud books in Germany, including Trakehner. He is older, but maybe Marbach still has some frozen semen. His first Trakehner son was approved in 2010, out of a very good eventing/show jumping mare family, one to keep an eye on for sure.
For those looking for “Butt” bloodlines - the Trakehner stallion Exclusiv is by Starway, a Star Regent xx son - a line priminently featured in Mr. Butt’s products. Starway was a highly decorated younger eventer under Ingrid Klimke (won the Robert Vietor Event Cup, placed at the Bundeschampionat), but broke a stifle in a training accident and has been standing at stud only since then. He still breeds in East Germany, his son Exclusiv stands at Stud in Lower Saxony. both have produced performance horses for all discplines.
Halimey Go (Askar AA - Pardon Go - Matador - Grimsel), won at CIC* level in 2010 (6yr old), placed at the Bundeschampionat as 5yr old. Sire ran the 1996 Olympics (eventing) for Poland. Askar’s sire Kwartet was a paternal half brother to the legendary Zeus.
Hölderlin (Michelangelo - Märchenprinz - Ginster - Komet), placed at CIC*** level, also won the equiveltn of 4th level dressage. Shares his direct dam line with the sire of the above mentioned, US-stationed Zauberruf.
Kasparow (Sixtus - Kostolany - Schwalbenherbst - Flaneur), placed at Prix St.George Dressage, 1.35m show jumping, and ** eventing and is consistently in the top 3 of all Trakehner sires based on the versatility of their offspring in competition. His overall breeding index (sport horses, not in hand shows) is top. He’s Dutch owned, but German stationed.
In that same top breeding index club as Kasparow is Manrico (Gispy King - Vincent - Donauwind - Intermezzo). Sire Gipsy King is dam sire of Grafenstolz, Manrico’s offspring compete at advanced levels in dressage and eventing and he himself competed up to Inter I dressage.
There is a really interesting TB (bloodlines) stationed in Holstein, Finish-owned: Ruffian Reef xx (Singspiel xx - Darshaan xx - Pharly xx - Jim French xx) from the Merlin Mare XXVI family, bred by Mount Coote Stud, Ireland. Very new to the Trakehner breed, hence very few offspring, but conformation and movement in this one should warrant some attention (I’ve seen him in person, there is a YouTube video that is pretty bad and really doesn’t do this one any justice).
Classic: Sixtus (Habicht - Ibikus - Masur - Ernest), international show jumper, sire of competitors in all disciplines to advanced level. Outstanding TB partner.
Tow interesting full brothers: Sky Walker and Sky Dancer (Beg xx - Habicht - Highnoon - Magnet). Sky Dancer is a 1.50m show jumper, sire Beg xx show jumped internationally, and has produced offspring competing at advanced/international levels in dressage and eventing. the two brothers are very different in type and conformation, but offer something for everybody.
Tycoon (the German one, different horse than the ATA one) by Donaumonarch - Damaskus - Burnus AAH - Gunnar; sire was international show jumper, second dam produced three international show jumpers. Close maternal ties to the first German Bundeschampion in eventing, Tümmler (Martin plewa) - he later relocated to the US and sired e.g. Natalie Rooney’s **** horse Aladdin. Tycoon has produced excellent, not always “easy” but very forward jumpers and eventers (e.g. TSF Amazing Grace, out of a TB dam). Tycoon currently holds the No. 1 spot for the breed index on “canter” in the Trakehner breed (based on the inspection scores of his daughters). This stallion is British-owned, but German-stationed.
Obviously not all these will be what their bloodlines promise, but maybe some of you take some useful info out of this.
Maren, I’m curious why you did not include Stiletto in your digest of Abdullah’s influence on eventing lines. He himself competed to prelim and intermediate eventing; in addition to show jumping and now successfully in dressage. I believe he won both the Casar Memorial Cup and the Palmenblute Awards with the ATA. He is also sire to Copy Cat Chloe who Kelly Pugh won individual gold at the Young Eventers Championships; and I believe Andrew Palmer is currently riding a full sister with high hopes for advanced competition on her?
Sorry, I have a Stiletto gelding myself out of a PSB TB mare that I continue to be impressed by both the quality of his gaits, his natural jump and his impeccably good nature, particularly for an amateur owner.
Consul sired Jessica Ransehaussen’s Critical Decision who ran at Rolex. He’s getting a little long in the tooth, but is still available frozen.
FatCatFarm - he is already on the OP’s list 
I like him very much indeed and I think he’s shown he can do it and produce it. I lfet out the stallions alrwady on the sheet.
And… While we are there What about Titulus, who had 2 sons qualified and competed at this year Budenschampionats?
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FatCatFarm - he is already on the OP’s list I like him very much indeed and I think he’s shown he can do it and produce it. I lfet out the stallions alrwady on the sheet.[/QUOTE]
Got it. Thanks!
Maren - you don’t put Kostolany out there - he’s the sire of CIC*** eventer Bertone?
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