Farrier doesn't believe in collateral ligament injuries

Thanks Janet. I misunderstood.

Her following is a cult. I asked her to explain what she was doing to a friends horse, and the reasoning why/what she was doing, and she told me basically I was incompetent and couldnā€™t understand. Crazy.

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I wonā€™t get into specifics on here but our experience was a version of this, except it was our vet (multiple time US team vet) that she implied was the incompetent one. Cult is a good description.

Due to reading this thread I tried Audrey DeClueā€™s Horse First Podcast. the Topic was how long one should expect a horse to need to recover from serious injury. It was so uninformative, I was hugely disappointed. For example, the co podcaster who worked with her said ā€œwe treated the hind shivers. i think we treated him 4 times.ā€ Does she mean she injected? with what? where? how far apart, etc etc. Kissing spine case: we did rehab. Not one tidbit about what the exercises were and how they built up the horses strength (like details on reps, sets, etc). Lots of congratulations for themselves on how they can see and fix horses other vets especially ones at university hospitals cannot. I didnā€™t even finish it. zzzzzzzzzzzz

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What I would suggest when your horse comes back from his time off is that you set a time when both the vet and farrier are present and can discuss how to proceed with shoeing and rehab. Otherwise you will continue to be caught between the two. If you have a trainer who weighs in on your horseā€™s management have him/her there too so you can all be on the same page. Yes, I agree with others that the vet has the final say but anyone else whose advice you value and expertise you need should hear the plan directly from the vet rather than through you and should have an opportunity to ask questions so they understand and will cooperate with the vetā€™s approach. Ask me how I know! (in my case it is my trainer rather than my farrier who often questions my vetā€™s approach).

Audrey injects along the spine in the nerve roots with Sarapin. Itā€™s soooooo cutting edge, no one else can do it but her. The horse has to be extremely sterile, the environment has to be sterile, the whole process takes hours upon hours. And the horse has to do constant treatments, along with shockwave treatments, and ā€œrehabā€ which is just trotting on a lunge line. I have yet to meet or come across a person whose horse sheā€™s ā€œfixedā€. The answer is always more treatments. ā€œLameness above the limbsā€, which like my vet said ā€œYa we treat lameness above the limbā€. She knows how to sell a good story to people who have no knowledge. She hated me :grin:

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Find a different farrier.

Isnā€™t serapin temporary pain relief?

Yes

Iā€™ll be honest my farrier is pretty bad but heā€™s the only farrier in my area so I have to deal. But also I think heā€™s super nice and young and tries really hard and never ever ever complains about my horses that are difficult to shoe. Heā€™s kind and gentle and good at making it a positive experience for them and that is worth a lot too.

The only way Iā€™ve gotten him to fix and improve shoeing is asking my vet to help him and supervise. I am not, like most of us, an expert on hoof anatomy, so I canā€™t really tell him what to do but I know what is good and bad at the end of the job. My vet has been helping my farrier out the last few months and itā€™s been really beneficial.

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