Farrier job

[JB]

If his parents are both 5 panel N/N, documented not just someone’s word, then he’s N/N by default, no need to test

His lateral xray shows a little bit of flattening of the P3 angle, and a resulting little broken back hoof-pastern angle. You can also see that the top of P3 (coffin bone) is farther from the hoof wall, than the tip even if just by a little. That says that the bone is shifting backwards, forcing the toe closer to the wall. Continue on like that and you will get a 0* angle, and eventually a negative angle.

I look forward to new pictures of the outside of the feet

[sara78]

No, his father IS n/n and thé father of thé mother also, i do not know if thé maternel grand father IS so i do not know if mine would bé positive AT pssm. I m going to thé barn and take pictures today

VID20220220095521

Hère IS a vidéo you cannot sée well though

[sara78]

[sara78]

Thèse are thé pictures, horse have thrush that i am trying to assess, Hope i got good angles this time

[JB]

Good pics, thanks! Yep, tall heels that are run forward, causing heels to contract, causing a crack in the center of the frog, causing the thrush to take hold.

You won’t fix the thrush until you also fix the trim, and that likely means a new farrier.

[sara78]

Thanks a lot this was thé last Time thé farrier did him as i allready got a New one for thé next Time, hopibg hé WE will bé able to assess it. Tall heels i Can sée it but what do you mean with heels that are running foreward? And this could make thé horse a bit sore or shortstriding?

[JB]

All hoof horn grows some degree of forward as it grows down. This means toes and heels move forward as they get longer. When heels go beyond the normal amount of forwardness as they grow in a reasonable trim cycle, they become more and more run forward/underrun

This has been a chronic issue to cause the heels to contract, which makes heels sore, and which yes, can make the horse short-strid and start to land toe-first to avoid weighting the sore heels

[sara78]

Thanks a lot JB. I ll talk and show thé pictures to thé New farrier. Do you know if it IS something easy to correct? It has to take many cycles of shoeing to make a horse more confortable ?

[JB]

there’s a lot of foot here that can be trimmed. A competent farrier can do all the right things very easily.

[Bluey]

@JB

there’s a lot of foot here that can be trimmed. A competent farrier can do all the right things very easily.

Plus the first time he may be sore for a few days from getting all that extra hoof out and angles changed to the right ones for his body, legs and hooves.

The leg column doesn’t seen to be supported enough at the back of the hoof because his heels are running forward.
I wonder if the shoer was already trying to do a bit of correcting there, just didn’t want to do too much at once?
New shoer may need to leave the back of the shoes even a bit longer so the whole leg has proper support.
Then you have to watch that the horse doesn’t overstep and pulls a front shoe off before he finds the right balance again.

[walktrot]

When I looked at the first head-on photos it looked like there was some flare on the inside of the left hoof. It also shows up on the photo from behind (the one ending 0039). My understanding is that if there is more weight on one side that side could flare. Could be anatomic, could be the trim or a combination.

[sara78]

Hi, so update pictures, i will post thé other ones tomorrow🙄, forgot to take some views. Both set of pictures, thé first ones i posted AT thé begining of thé thread and thèse ones are After 10 days shoeing

[sara78]

the same foot, maybe a bit less contractéd now?

[shoer76]

You really want to take pics post shoeing then another set of pics prior to the next shoeing and compare them.

Also, watch how his foot lands post shoeing and again prior to next shoeing.

Heel height is best determined by exfoliating the sole at the heel and seeing how high the heel is above the sole.

[sara78]

Thanks, hé lands toe first Always After shoeing and gets better normally AT thé end. AT thé moment hé s bilatéral lame landing toe first and with very short choppy strides. Hé had previous inflammation of high suspensory and thèse shoes are orthopédic to alleviate. This IS thé third Time hé s shod with these orthopédic shoes and what i sée IS that hé does not walk well in them. Maybe shoes that are conceived to alleviate suspensory make the horse Land more on his toes?

[shoer76]

@sara78

Thanks, hé lands toe first Always After shoeing and gets better normally AT thé end.

And he has more heel at the end of the shoeing cycle?

[sara78]

Yes more normally. This Time i feel hé s very unconfortable on his orthopédic shoes and landing toe first but hé s AT thé beginning of thé cycle. Can orthopédic shoes meant to alleviate high suspensory inflamation lead over Time to toe first landing? Tia

[sara78]

Hé s also more toe landing on hard ground as i ve been walking for several months only on hard ground. I feel liké i manages thé suspensory and now have Big feet problems

[shoer76]

Trimming too much heel off an upright foot will just about guarantee a toe first landing.

The distortion in the hairline at the toe and right behind it is most likely from trimming too much heel off and the coffin bone resisting the change.

The trim is your biggest culprit for toe first landing. Depending on how aggressive the suspensory shoe is, it could also aid in the toe first landing.

If the horse is landing more flat towards the end of the shoeing cycle, it’s a good indication to not wack the heel off again.

[sara78]

I took some pics from behind, one question, thé frog should not bé more near thé ground? It Also looks liké that thé horse shoes on thé back do not touch thé ground. Maybe because of thé type of shoes(for suspensory) horse IS pointing a lot with both front feet, i have to wait till next week to sée thé vet😭