Fatal attraction (sorry, long)

[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;7167077]
If you can transfer LT’s attention to something/someone else, do it.[/QUOTE]

i’m sorry, i have a hard time wrapping my head around this… you are saying LT is a dangerous, loony individual (and similar to your LT, who “slashed tires”) and you are suggesting OP pawn her off onto someone else?! what? :confused:

OP still hasn’t come face to face with LT and discussed the reason for LT’s “advances” yet. until she does, we don’t know if OP is exaggerating the account or if LT is secretly paul bateman with a hatchet… JMO/E, but these kind of things are usually the fault of one party misinterpreting the other – and no one knows until they sit down and have the Talk Like Real Adults session…

[QUOTE=beowulf;7167091]
i’m sorry, i have a hard time wrapping my head around this… you are saying LT is a dangerous, loony individual (and similar to your LT, who “slashed tires”) and you are suggesting OP pawn her off onto someone else?! what? :confused:[/QUOTE]

I also said transfer to something or someone else. Dissipate the obsession. I know it’s not nice to whoever ends up being the next obsession, but maybe it would at least dissipate some of the obsessiveness? Maybe the next person wouldn’t mind the extra attention and would be ok with a free obsessive groom and it’d never escalate. Maybe it would, and at that point BO would finally realize there’s a problem and would ask LT to leave. I just wouldn’t address it directly with LT. I agree with posters who said to talk to a therapist about how to deal with it. You can’t exactly have someone put in jail for being an admirer before they do anything but addressing it directly with LT is opening yourself up to consequences.

[QUOTE=Dewey;7167078]
I think your heart is in the right place, but I don’t recommend that the OP reach out to this girl or invite any kind of confession from her. That will exacerbate the problem IMO. She has a personality disorder, I believe, and needs professional help as well as compassion. We can feel for her, but that does not give her the right to act the way she has been toward the OP. The OP needs to protect herself from this clingy, disturbed girl.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I do think that this LT may just be socially insecure etc. But that is not the role of the OP to “save” her. And having that sort of conversation just invites that person in–if they are the REALLY crazy stalker ones–and so far, I don’t think what this girl has done falls squarly as one of those, yet. She will still have issues with boundaries etc. The OP just needs to not have this girl fixated on her. I don’t think it needs to come to the up or out conversation with the BO. I do think that unfortunately, the OP let boundaries get blurred early on being nice and friendly. By not being especially open, nice…hopefully that will be enough. It worked for me with one LT friend. Until that doesn’t work…I wouldn’t take any other steps.

[QUOTE=RugBug;7166918]
We should probably cut the BO some slack. Barns are known for drama and if the BO had to step into every situation, it would be so tiresome.

What BO needs to be doing is keeping a close eye on the situation and making sure her employee is respecting boundaries. Most likely, if LT is really unbalanced, the behavior will make itself known to BO and it can then be dealt with. Just like at your workplace, when a complaint comes in, you investigate first, set clear expectations and monitor the situation. This is a case of someone with stalker-like behavior, not someone who has threatened or caused injury. IT should be dealt with accordingly.[/QUOTE]

It depends entirely on how the issue was first broached with the BO. If the OP said “I have a genuine concern for my and my horse’s safety, and she is making the barn extremely uncomfortable for me because of XYZ,” then the BO should have already intervened with LT. If the OP said something to the BO like “Oh yeah, LT is kinda weird and annoying me,” then I can see why the BO would be more likely to just brush it off as drama and not want to get involved.

That being said, I can understand the desire to come on the forums and get people’s advice. However, at this point I think the right thing to do here is get the opinion from a mental health professional regarding specific examples of LT’s behavior, and how best to approach it/who to involve. OP, you have people telling you to ignore her (I was one of them), other people saying confront her and be overly rude to scare her off, other people saying she just needs a hug and a good friendly talk…Bottom line, I think very few, if any, of us here are qualified to deal with a potential personality disorder and how to best proceed for all involved.

[QUOTE=beowulf;7167091]

OP still hasn’t come face to face with LT and discussed the reason for LT’s “advances” yet. until she does, we don’t know if OP is exaggerating the account or if LT is secretly paul bateman with a hatchet… JMO/E, but these kind of things are usually the fault of one party misinterpreting the other – and no one knows until they sit down and have the Talk Like Real Adults session…[/QUOTE]

I do not know how you have a rational discussion with someone who got that bent out of shape because the OP was at a gathering with your significant other and LT imagined the ride home aspect.

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PaintedHunter owes me a new keyboard!

Compassion doesn’t mean engagement. Sometimes things are not what they seem. Clear communicated boundries often take the guess work out of runaway feelings, on both sides.
If I where reading this thread and thought it was about me, I would be mortified. JMHO

[QUOTE=Outfoxed;7167106]
That being said, I can understand the desire to come on the forums and get people’s advice. However, at this point I think the right thing to do here is get the opinion from a mental health professional regarding specific examples of LT’s behavior, and how best to approach it/who to involve. OP, you have people telling you to ignore her (I was one of them), other people saying confront her and be overly rude to scare her off, other people saying she just needs a hug and a good friendly talk…Bottom line, I think very few, if any, of us here are qualified to deal with a potential personality disorder and how to best proceed for all involved.[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

This reminds me of the TV show Stalked on Investigative Discovery. Not that that was any help, just be very careful. Make sure you document anything, save any crazy texts for proof. Restraining order if you need one/if it gets that bad?

Even if this woman is certifiable, the place to start is clear communication that her actions/attention is unwanted. After that, LT can then be held accountable, but OP and the BO. Right now there is too much he said/she said possibility.

No good deed goes unpunished,eh?..OP you have found yourself in the unenviable position none of us wants to have to deal with…

You have mentioned that you and LT are adults…No offense intended, but how old are we talking here?..Behaviors you have mentioned tend to lean to twentysomethingish…

First clue to me is the Facebook disclosure worries…For the life of me I don’t understand the need to post every move someone is making, what they are thinking, what they like, etc…Maybe I am just a little less trusting then most, but I find it odd when I see this often on the newsfeed… (I have family members who do this on a regular basis )…No matter what kind of privacy settings you think you can control here, I just don’t think it is possible once the can of Facebook worms has been opened…People disclose WAY too much thinking that only their closest friends are going to see it, yet they have 400 or more “friends”…Limiting your posting is one of your 1st good ideas…

Not answering her texts to you was the next good thing you have done…The cell phone is a wonderful modern convenience that makes our lives easier, until you have someone who feels you should be available to them 24/7…Just because she calls/texts doesn’t mean she deserves an immediate response…

You say you have been at this barn for 15 years…I don’t know that I would be eager to play the “its her or me” card given that there is a long waiting list…How did she get in if the wait is long?..Is she more of an employee who brought her horse?..I would think in 15 years you have some sort of relationship with the BO/BM that would allow you to discuss your concerns and at least let them know that you are experiencing a problem that you are having a difficult time addressing on your own…LT may just appear to be an overeager employee to BO…

Lastly, how is LT supporting herself?..Being at the barn from 6:30 am til at times late in the evening Mon-Sat (did I get that right?) doesn’t lend itself to other gainful employment…Sooo, I imagine she doesn’t have much of a life outside the barn and trying to endear herself to you…

Again, none of us here envy your position, but keeping a cool, calm head, a chat with your BO, and keeping her at arms length may help…

Good Luck to You…

[QUOTE=RugBug;7167167]
Even if this woman is certifiable, the place to start is clear communication that her actions/attention is unwanted. After that, LT can then be held accountable, but OP and the BO. Right now there is too much he said/she said possibility.[/QUOTE]

agreed. until and when OP sets out a time to actually talk (instead of looking for help on an internet forum) we don’t know what is truly going on. like i said before, it could be a misinterpreted attempt at establishing a close friendship… or it could be christian bale running down the hall with a chainsaw.

we won’t know until OP communicates to LT.

It’s not blackmail. OP doesn’t have secret, dark info on the BO that she is threatening to leak.

It’s an ultimatum. There is a difference.

[QUOTE=talkofthetown;7167191]
It’s not blackmail. OP doesn’t have secret, dark info on the BO that she is threatening to leak.

It’s an ultimatum. There is a difference.[/QUOTE]

OP has stated she is not considering moving, so blackmail or ultimatum, the point is moot.

[QUOTE=talkofthetown;7167191]
It’s not blackmail. OP doesn’t have secret, dark info on the BO that she is threatening to leak.

It’s an ultimatum. There is a difference.[/QUOTE]

sorry for choosing the wrong word. And while there is a difference, both are tactics of children, not adults.

[QUOTE=jeta;7167176]
No good deed goes unpunished,eh?..OP you have found yourself in the unenviable position none of us wants to have to deal with…

You have mentioned that you and LT are adults…No offense intended, but how old are we talking here?..Behaviors you have mentioned tend to lean to twentysomethingish…

First clue to me is the Facebook disclosure worries…For the life of me I don’t understand the need to post every move someone is making, what they are thinking, what they like, etc…Maybe I am just a little less trusting then most, but I find it odd when I see this often on the newsfeed… (I have family members who do this on a regular basis )…No matter what kind of privacy settings you think you can control here, I just don’t think it is possible once the can of Facebook worms has been opened…People disclose WAY too much thinking that only their closest friends are going to see it, yet they have 400 or more “friends”…Limiting your posting is one of your 1st good ideas…

Not answering her texts to you was the next good thing you have done…The cell phone is a wonderful modern convenience that makes our lives easier, until you have someone who feels you should be available to them 24/7…Just because she calls/texts doesn’t mean she deserves an immediate response…

You say you have been at this barn for 15 years…I don’t know that I would be eager to play the “its her or me” card given that there is a long waiting list…How did she get in if the wait is long?..Is she more of an employee who brought her horse?..I would think in 15 years you have some sort of relationship with the BO/BM that would allow you to discuss your concerns and at least let them know that you are experiencing a problem that you are having a difficult time addressing on your own…LT may just appear to be an overeager employee to BO…

Lastly, how is LT supporting herself?..Being at the barn from 6:30 am til at times late in the evening Mon-Sat (did I get that right?) doesn’t lend itself to other gainful employment…Sooo, I imagine she doesn’t have much of a life outside the barn and trying to endear herself to you…

Again, none of us here envy your position, but keeping a cool, calm head, a chat with your BO, and keeping her at arms length may help…

Good Luck to You…[/QUOTE]

To answer some of your questions above, we are both in our 20s. I am a bit older than LT.

LT got in off of the waiting list after I bridged the initial gap between her and BO to get her on the waiting list. She began working at the barn after being strictly a boarder.

The only money that she makes to support herself (that I’m aware of) comes from her barn work income. I’d rather not disclose too many more specifics of her living situation, as it’s not a very typical one and might give away identities. She doesn’t appear to have much of a life outside of the barn.

I have set up a meeting with BO tonight (without LT) to discuss this further. A few have asked about my initial conversation with BO, and like some inferred, it wasn’t an ultimatum super-panic type discussion, because at the point that I talked to her, I wasn’t that freaked out yet - more just annoyed.

I basically just said that I found LT to be a bit odd and that she was overstepping her boundaries with me a bit (this was right after the super-groom thing). BO basically said yeah, she is a little odd, but she works hard and I think she means well, so just tell her to back off a little.

I did talk to LT about that specific situation and told her that because I don’t have time to return the favor for her, I’d rather her not groom for me because that puts me in an awkward spot and makes me feel badly. She responded really well to that, actually, and I had thought that I had straightened everything out, until the party thing happened.

It seems to go in cycles…she’ll be very nice and easy to talk to which transitions to super helpful/accomodating, which transitions to something weird happening (basically her going koo koo for cocoa puffs, like the drive home thing), to me getting acutely angry at her, to one day (sometimes not even) of silent treatment, and then the next day is fine, and back to square one/normal.

Each time though, the favors get more unreasonable and the weird behavior/blow up stage gets more weird.

I’m going to solicit the help of a professional for a little bit of advice on how to talk to her, depending on what the BO’s course of action will be.

Okay, my following question is not meant to make light of mental health, if in fact the LT has actual conditions that affect her mental health, but…

Where the hell is Christian Grey when you need him? The LT sounds like a dream for anyone who is looking to enter into a contractual relationship with a submissive.

Carry on…

[QUOTE=rustbreeches;7167253]
Okay, my following question is not meant to make light of mental health, if in fact the LT has actual conditions that affect her mental health, but…

Where the hell is Christian Grey when you need him? The LT sounds like a dream for anyone who is looking to enter into a contractual relationship with a submissive.

Carry on…[/QUOTE]

Yep. Some people match the crazy and like having this type of glommer.

Good luck OP. I hope your BO will understand how uncomfortable the situation is now.