Great Idea! If you want to send me a copy I will put them in PDF and eveyone can have an official copy of the order with them wherever. I will laminate mine and keep it in the Secretaries Office.
But, in addition to that I think we should propose a Rule change that covers them with USEF. It will bring the case forward.
Originally posted by Snowbird:
Tsk! Tsk! We never had a valuable pony by todayâs standards or even the old standards we never had a real show pony. If you mean âGood Decisionâ he cost pennies and when he qualified for Devon the judges looked at him (a black Connamara) as so ugly they couldnât imagine how anything that wasnât Welsh could have gotten there. But, he was brave an scopey and he had a great jockey. He was a pony he got measured and had his card at 14.1 .Then of course there was our little Snowbird, she reared in the circle at the beginning of every class to shake Torriâs hands loose so she could bolt. Always wanted to race her. Both the girlâs shared our one Equitation Horse. Pocount did the Medal with Steffi in the 70âs; with Torri in the 80âs and with Jen Bond in the 90âs. We got him only because Sandy Lobel told me George Morris said no Junior would ever be able to ride him and itâs fun to prove the impossible is possible so he was cheap and even sound, went clean without drugs until he day he died.
The only horse I can think of was ESP who was never a Medal Maclay Horse and who I never wanted to sell but I had to leave behind at the barn because Marvin Ruddy wouldnât let me have him. He was a horse that topped out at 3â0" and hated 3â6" because his hind end was weak and he just couldnât lift himself high enough to do 3â6". I tried to to trade a young healthy quarter horse for him after he broke down so we could retire ESP here on the farm but the owner turned me down. Steffi never used him for the Medal and Maclay. We found out pretty quickly that he just didnât have eight fences in him at 3â6". He surely, was never a jumper.
We liked going to shows and sure itâs more fun to win than lose if the competition is fair. But, we couldnât do five day shows then and we still canât do five day shows. If the rules were what they are today weâd have never qualified for anything.
Sally Wheeler saw what was coming and I helped her to try and turn the tide. Thatâs why there are Zone Horse Shows and thatâs why we made it the rule that no on who applied for Penn National could enter the Zone Horse Show. Do you remember the old âHunter Incentive Committeeâ?
You know itâs really funny because it seems to me most of the barn kids you talk about are trainers now. Some with really big names. If it wasnât for the good times of those days I donât know if this sport would have ever gotten out of the backyards. And, maybe it shouldnât have!
I donât know if your pony was valuable or not. That wasnât the point. The pony belonged to a girl who worked at the barn and when she showed it at Tewksbury or one of the smaller local shows, you challenged his height: went through a huge rigamaroll and got the pony disqualified. The horse was purchased for Kathy McMullen, not one of your daughters. She was scared to death of him and stopped riding after that. Iâm curious to know what kids went from SERC to train and become âbig trainersâ. Iâm constantly looking for some information about some of them and have been unable to find anything.
Huh? Shame on WHO?
SheilaâŠI think you have a good point 
And after 7 years of being in the middle of this case I now have a long list of the good guys AND the bad guys. Iâll be more than happy to turn that list over.
It may be true that some in the horse industry will continue to do business with felons, despite their long history of dishonesty. However, there are still many of us who just wonât go there. Personally, I wonât do business with any who feels itâs ok to continue to work with them either. We are judged by the company we keep for some very good reasons. 
I feel sorry for the innocent clients, and I will continue to warn anyone who asks, to stay as far away from them as possible and I have NO problem telling them why.
I think when this Hearing is complete it is time to work on a Press Release exposing the facts.
It is my understanding that he will have to abide by the judgeâs ruling until the appeal is heard.
FWIW, itâs a federal case. Any member of the public can go to the federal courthouse for the Eastern District of Virginia (the address can be found online by Google or some other search engine) and fill out a form with the case number. The clerk can let you see anything that isnât filed under seal or being held in the judgeâs chambers for the judge to take action on. If you have a PACER account or Courtlink, you can access the docket sheet online and maybe even see the individual documents for a fee of 8 cents a page. You might be able to see them online in the clerkâs office too.
Well lyrical that is very true but I think we need to be more proactive and less reactive. Why not post a summary of the different scams and how they work to make people aware.
I feel badly when I know someone who wanted to be part of this world and then gets badly burned out and discouraged.
For example a tattoo may not be legitimate, may have been altered or it may be brand new on a look-a-like. Teeth can be filed to hide the real age of the horse.
The trurth is that a manâs charecter is his destiny.
t8ksilk ~ you are correct in your interpretation at this time. However, ownership will be watched closely by the Dept of Justice due to the fact during the original sentencing perjury was commited regarding ownership of horses.
Also, they can be asked to leave show grounds if it is private property and the owner does not want them in attendance. If they are suspended or banned by any association then that will come in to play as well.
If they do not like Judge Williams ruling/guidelines then they can file an appeal, which is what Josh has done. Not having dealt with the Appellate Courts I have heard this can be a lengthy process.
I have seen JUSTICE workâŠkeep the faithâŠI faced the most prominent equestrians in the world, their âexpert equestrianâ witnesses, insurance company and their legal teamâŠthe outcome. THEY were found GUILTY.
I had to believe it would happenâŠagainst the odds. You have the support of those of us who have faced this beforeâŠsome of us did it alone. YOU will never be alone in your efforts! We may not have an official office and letterheadâŠbut we know how to make things move forwardâŠâWe got your back!â
Originally posted by t8ksilk:
Are you LaBonnieBon, going to contact Judge Williams, or your local U.S. Attorneyâs office, or your local horse shows association, when you hear about these people operating in Nokesville? If not, then to what end does your information and your conversation serve? Doing something more helps people like those you have heard about on this board who have been or are going to be victimized. Doing nothing more does just that.
As a matter of fact, YES I will! Also, I am in the process of drafting an email for Kim Anderson. Thank you for your concern!!!
âHappy New Year!â
I think itâs the time for us âlittle peopleâ to join together and shout to the world we will âNOT Take it anymoreâ. Enough is enough because apathy will destroy what we all love most. The Horses must be protected. The USEF has passed a lot of bed rules predicated on caring about the horses but these flaws donât seem to attract their attention.
New Yearâs Resolution for 2006 this little group will try to make it different.
I am not trying to be mean or catty, however, why would anyone hire one of these guys in the first place to teach or ride? They were not successful at it before they went to jail. Is there a serious lack of local level pros in VA?
It would be great to have pictures of the horses and the two culprits so that we can all recognize them. Since they were members in good standing while serving their jail sentences I wonder if the USEF will honor the Court Order.
Hasty youâre seriously suggesting that anyone pleads guilty to save the government and the people money or time? They do it because they know theyâre guilty and this way they get a lighter punishment. Itâs still for their own selfish benefit not for ours.
The government letâs them plead to a lesser crime with less pain and suffering for the guilty not the victims. How many would plead guilty if they were not offered less jail time or no jail time? How many never see jail in spite of the severity of their crime?
They can admit to murder but with mitigating circumstances which says theyâre not sorry at all except they got caught. We accept the lowest denominator of human behavior as permissable because they ate a twinkie, or the devil mae them do it, ot the bullet accidentally shot someone when they never intended to shoot.
I did get a photo from a horse show of Josh Cardine. Iâm not sure itâs direct enough for anyone to recognize him walking around.
I want to know what these criminals look like.
Perhaps it will take a federal court case such as this one in VA to show the USEF that the legal system will no longer tolerate such crimes in the horse industry.
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