Not at all what I was expecting! How sad!
But then Surpass has been at issue before. Yes, we all know it is not legal, but it seems to be popping positive results well after the time it’s supposed to be out of the system. I think it’s a nice product, but it seems to cause problems, too.
I guess it’s just a wait & see thing as to whether we’ll hear what CKD has to say (if anything…I’d be wanting to crawl in a hole & die of embarrassment right about now if I were her).
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Now the FEI says that it did not want to issue a public statement as to CKD until the B sample came back, but they didn’t just keep quiet about that, they affirmatively stated no dressage horses or eventers tested positive.[/QUOTE]
The FEI left out a word, that’s all. They left out YET.
The FEI meant to say “No dressage horses tested positive for drugs…yet”. 
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I’m not saying there isn’t a problem with the testing (don’t know) but would you all be up in arms if it were Satchmo or Salinero who tested positive.
Come on, now, try to be honest. Pretend the FEI release is about Salinero and then let’s hear what you have to say about it.
There weren’t a lot of people here standing up for Ulla as I recall.[/QUOTE]
Actually if Satchmo or Salinero tested positive, I’d say that the substances weren’t doing that much good, considering how Satchmo blew up twice, so spectacularly that many have wondered if he was in pain (and still received 78% for the kur, too high of a score for that test), and that Salinero was uneven in one of those tests (in the GP Special?).
Yes…testosterone is a natural hormone that is helpful to build muscle and aid tissue repair especially in geldings who cant make as much,and topical anti inflammatories are used to treat injury.
using anti inflammatories seems worse to me.
However,both are equally illegal in FEI competition no matter what your nationality.
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Anyone else waiting for Ridgeback to apologize for saying that only show jumpers bend the rules?
It’s a bummer.[/QUOTE]
Ridgeback and apologize is the same as asking Salinero to Halt 
I’m sure this will be unpopular, but…
If you are putting in the time and money and energy to go to the Olympics, you better damn well know the rules. The coach, the rider, the grooms, the owners, etc. all need to know. Yes, individual horses may take longer to clear a substance, but my feeling is that if you don’t know exactly what is in the creams, ointments, rubs, treats, etc., then you are too far removed from the care of the horse you are competing on. There is a zero-tolerance policy for the Olympics - you just have to take it very seriously if you want to compete there.
The Hong Kong labs are world class, and the B samples are processed by a completely different lab. They did their jobs and detected the substances on their list of drugs to test for. I’m amazed at the negative comments towards the labs here because they did their jobs.
Over 150 over-the-counter “nutritional” supplements can bounce a human athlete out of the Olympics and China did a mass campaign to warn their citizens that herbal remedies can also make them test positive. Avoiding substances that test positive is a challenge for humans and horses alike.
It is a shame for Courtney King because she’s just the highest profile member of the horse’s team. The grooms, the coach, the owners, and pretty much anyone else who had contact with the horse that could have exposed it to an illegal substance share in the responsibility. She certainly wouldn’t be the first high-profile rider to have discovered that someone accidentally used the wrong cream on the horse and it tested positive and she unfortunately won’t be the last. But this is where a concerted effort needs to be made to everyone involved with the horse to ensure that banned substances simply aren’t used close enough to test time that they might enhance their performance.
Will the day come…
When one of these top level competitors sue the product manufacturer for liabliity or false advertising if the label reads “Will Not Test” and it actually did ?
For example, the Irish show jumper, who regulary used Equi-Bloc, because the label claimed it wouldn’t test.
I have a feeling that we’re not far from the day when the lawsuits are filed.
Surpass’s active ingredient is Diclofenac. Felbinac is a different drug, although of the same NSAID family. Even I know that Surpass would be illegal with the FEI rules. It has the same limitation with the USEF that NSAIDs share.
I do not know which equine (topical or otherwise) medication contains Felbinac. Someone has some 'splaining to do.
Nancy
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I’m not saying there isn’t a problem with the testing (don’t know) but would you all be up in arms if it were Satchmo or Salinero who tested positive.
Come on, now, try to be honest. Pretend the FEI release is about Salinero and then let’s hear what you have to say about it.
There weren’t a lot of people here standing up for Ulla as I recall.[/QUOTE]
If the circumstances were defensible, I would defend Satchmo or Salinero. I have defended the showjumpers. I don’t care who it is; I look at the rules and the conduct in question.
This is a joke right? “Taken from her” Who are you kidding?
it seems at the level of sensitivity of the testing now the grooms cannot use BenGay (as an example)
Unfortunately, the way the rules are written, they can be construed to ban hay, feed, and water. I am not familiar with the substance found in Mythilus, but pointed out in detail shortcomings of the FEI rules in the capsaicin threads. It does no one any good to say “zero tolerance too bad” when the rules are unclear.
But this is where a concerted effort needs to be made to everyone involved with the horse to ensure that banned substances simply aren’t used close enough to test time that they might enhance their performance.
The standard is not whether the substance might enhance performance. The presence of any prohibited substance, even if the FEI knows WITHOUT A DOUBT the amount is too little to enhance performance, is a violation of the rules. They took Ludger Beerbaum’s Gold medal ecen though they knew the amount of cream he used was not a performance enhancer. As for withdrawal periods; there are recommended amounts of time, and people usually add a safety margin. That is not foolproof, though. I have no idea whether CKD observed the appropriate withdrawal times or not.
Could it be that Courtney used the leg wraps of Brentina;)
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Ridgeback and apologize is the same as asking Salinero to Halt :D[/QUOTE]
Theo, I can’t believe you would be so insulting to Salinero : ).
The reaction here WOULD be different if it concerned Salinero or Satchmo. Don’t kid yourselves.
The fact remains - the horse had a banned substance in him.
[Felbinac gel for treatment of localized extra-articular rheumatic diseases–a multicenter, placebo controlled, randomized study]
[Article in German]
Bolten W.
Rheumaklinik Bad Rappenau.
281 patients with extra-articular rheumatic disorders (enthesiopathy, bursitis, tendinosis, fibrositis) and moderate or severe localized pain during rest or movement in shoulder, neck, elbow or knee were randomized into groups and treated for 14 days in a double blind study with either 1 g Felbinac Gel 3% (biphenyl acetic acid) three times daily (N = 142) or with the gel formulation only (N = 139). In 50% of the patients treated with Felbinac Gel compared to 29% of the placebo treated patients (p = 0.001), the investigator assessed the global therapeutic success to be good or very good. The magnitude of complaints judged on the basis of a visual analogous scale by patients and doctor showed a significant improvement in pain reduction during rest or activity after 14 days of treatment in the Felbinac group. The rheumatic complaints diminished equally according to patient judgement in both treatment groups and the concomitant use of paracetamol was low in both groups. No significant side-effects or changes in laboratory parameters were observed during therapy. Felbinac Gel therefore is suitable for a low-risk topical therapy of soft tissue rheumatic disorders.
PMID: 1872042 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I thought someone said it was not Surpass, but some other product. He tested positive for Felbinac – that is not the active ingredient in Surpass.
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The reaction here WOULD be different if it concerned Salinero or Satchmo. Don’t kid yourselves.
The fact remains - the horse had a banned substance in him.[/QUOTE]
I have no doubt I would be one of very few defending Satchmo or Salinero.
from 2003
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competitionnews/article.php?aid=47198&cid=390
Abbervail Dream was found to have the prohibited substances valerenic acid (valerian) and felbinac acid in his system, but Britain’s top female rider and trainer insists she has no idea how they got there.
Di has subsequently traced the valerenic acid to a supplement she was feeding, which she had been wrongly assured by the manufacturers did not contain the prohibited substance. She is still unable to trace the source of the felbinac acid, which is found in a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel that is not used on her yard.
Maybe we’re just ignorants at our farm (possible), but I just asked 3 different people and no one has heard of this substance. Is there a brand name that it’s commonly known as, or a familiar product name that contains it?
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