Slaughtered horses and dogs and cats in korea north and south,are not propaganda. The slaughterettes on this board have decades of obstrufication
This thread is not about PETA and slaughter as per the OP’s declarations, but then, what is it about if not?
Everything that has evolved on this earth has used other alive as part of the natural, renewable resources we have at our disposition.
As we know, slaughter is inherently not good or evil, but one of many process by which we make one more use of the natural, renewable resource some animals are and have been for humans as we evolved amongst them.
As humans keep evolving, we are using our resources differently, we even today have printers that can provide us with any we desire from basic resources, so we won’t even need plants or any animal for those resources any more.
There is a printer today that can print a steak of your choice, cooked to perfection, according to your programming.
Until those are commercially available, one in every kitchen, slaughter is one process to use those resources and like such as good as it is managed, as bad as it may be mismanaged.
If someone really cared about the horses themselves, not the idea of following this or that other animal rights extremist bandwagon, remember they have hordes of lawyers working feverishly to stop any we do with horses thru changing our laws to eliminate all uses of animals by humans, including what we here on COTH do, riding them, if they really cared for the horses, they would work on horse WELFARE, not pushing the PETA’s of this world propaganda, as that article is.
The only poster who always parachutes into my posts and makes negative declarations about how those of us who support anti-slaughter, and animal welfare causes is you, Bluey. But this isn’t about YOU, and it isn’t about other posters, it is about a cruel practice being carried on in Korea.
As I stated in the beginning, I am not on board with PETA, but somehow, you are making this a bully-pulpit to spew once again the same old stuff you’ve been say in thousands of posts, over many years.
I do not agree with the practices discussed in the article. You obviously support them, at least to the extent that you support slaughter. We don’t agree. Again.
Oh well! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Aha, it is about venting about posters after all.
As for some here smugly stating they are “just for animal welfare” while promoting animal rights extremist propaganda?
That one bridge is still for sale, cheap I hear.
Want to be incensed about horse abuse, no need to go anywhere else.
It happens around you, where you can truly help if you wish and not by supporting questionable non-profits with nebulous agendas.
It behooves one who entertains sale of their horse to a foreign country, to find out what the equestrian culture is in those parts before committing oneself. That includes the conventions around destruction when the animal is no longer suited for its stated purpose. After Ferdinand, this should come as no surprise to anyone–it is basic.
Suffice it to say that in pretty much all of Eastern Europe, South America, the Middle East and the Far East there are no “retirement farms” and no horses kept as “pets.” Gee, wonder why that is . . . ?
First, most of these cultures consider horses both “livestock” (aka protein on the hoof) and “work animals.” The people do not share Americans’ and Englishmen’s sentimental view of any animal. When no longer of monetary value, in the pot it goes; and overseas slaughterhouses are not much concerned with humane treatment; neither for that matter are halal and kosher processers in our own country. And we still load hundreds a week to be trucked to Canada & Mexico . . . but they who think they’re beyond sin can clutch their pearls at the 3rd World if they want to.
In Korea they eat dogs, sold live and butchered in open-air markets on the street. Any questions?
Just like the current COTH article regarding donkey skin trade in China, let’s stop pretending everybody out there is “just like us,” OK? They’re NOT. But it’s a choice WE make to provide them with raw material.
Bluey, let’s be clear. I was referring to YOU. Not “posters” plural. You. Not the royal plural, and not you, and whaever group you think you represent. Just YOU.
I am not “smugly” promoting anything. But you love making much ado, and trying to make someone else look like they are doing it. Nope. I am not supporting PETA, or any other non-profits with "nebulous agendas :lol:. I said that from the beginning. Reading for comprehension is a lost art…sigh.
I have been supporting animal rights and working for animals welfare for over 40 years. You certainly have nothing to teach me about it, and I would certainly not try and waste my time teaching you.
What is going on in Korea disgusts me. It disgust me here, in Canada, and in Mexico, and anywhere else where horses, in particular, are slaughtered.
You do realize that by supporting animal rights extremists you don’t need to worry about animal welfare, because there won’t be any animals left in our lives, any animal’s welfare to worry about?
That pesky difference between the goals of animal rights extremists, “no animal slaves!” and the quest for animal welfare, that we manage our animals and our use of them in appropriate ways, definitively without abuse?
That is really disgusting.
I used to work at an Arabian farm. They sold a yearling for $300,000 to Saudi Arabia. Makes you wonder what happened to the horse once it left U.S. soil. If anyone is familiar with endurance racing there… Well, one can only imagine.
Shame on thoroughbred breeders to selling to those countries. Too bad there’s no way to limit purchases to certain buyers.
Many if not most Thoroughbred breeders that sell to countries where horsemeat is eaten have agreements in place where, if the owner does not want to keep them in retirement, they will be shipped back to the U.S.
There has been a lot of progress since Ferdinand.
U.S. breeders or owners that sell endurance horses to middle eastern countries however, obviously care more about money than they care about their horses.
There is no excuse for sending a horse to live that horrific life. A look at the FEI tribunal is just the beginning of an education on the treatment of horses there.
You do realize that you have no idea what animal welfare organizations I support, and which I do not.
THIS is what I am talking about with you- if you are anti-slaughter, and pro-animal welfare, YOU the BLUEY decide that it’s gone all the way to whatever hell you define. And you know what? You have NO idea.
I do not know where all of this begins and ends with you, but more to the point, I don’t care! I simply want you to stop trying to define who and what I am and believe in, every time this topic comes up. You have an opinion? GREAT! But it doesn’t mean that you can define, or even understand, my opinion.
Slaughterettes? Seriously? How cute. Seeing as some of you seem to know all about the “slaughterettes” and how they think and feel etc. - care to name some? Like say, 20 or so? I’ll actually settle for 10. Painting people with a wide, wet, dripping brush of condemnation and scorn never really works… and is never accurate. Trying to slap labels on people in hopes that they will stick also rarely succeeds.
Obstrufication = obfuscation, I guess. I see that happening in many discussions - from both sides. Including this one…
I didn’t start this thread, posted that article …
As always, when putting something out there in a public forum, well, the public will be adding their comments, that is the idea behind public forums.
Your own words: "I have been supporting animal rights and working for animals welfare for over 40 years … ", thus my words to that about the differences between animal rights and animal welfare.
Back to abuse, as already explained, that happens because there were abusers, if real or paid to abuse and an opportunity.
We stop abuse by taking opportunities to abuse away and by punishing abusers.
As how people live in other countries, when we are talking about ones with the more sketchy standard of living, elevating that for all benefits all.
That helps curb all kinds of abuses, to other humans and to animals and to the environment.
If you’re going to judge the credibility of the article, don’t delegitimize it on the same grounds that gun rights supporters delegitimize firearms reporting in the popular press. Nitpicking the details instead of the obvious hurts your argument more often than not, especially if you’re engaging the broader public. Sure, go after the tabloid, go after PETA. But without knowing whether or not the line about half siblings was made from malice or ignorance, you have no leverage to argue against it.
Bluey…your definition of animals rights and animal welfare do not allow you to define mine. I feel that animals DO have rights.
I agree that, in a very simplistic way, taking away opportunities to do anything wrong stops the problem. But this is the real world, and it just doesn’t work like that. And we can’t fix the other standards in the world, but we don’t have to accept their level of treatment of animals…or anythig else.
Unfortunately, as in the American push to spread democracy around the world to people who neither need nor want to change their social systems, we can only show by example how to do things better, as much as I detest the patriarchal attitude and laws in some countries. As stated the Koreans are attempting to learn more about how we train race horses.Now they need to learn what comes next.
It would appear that the culprits in the story have been disciplined, but we still need to encourage a better way to solve the ending of so many now longer usable horses. Not every owner has the availability of a large area to quietly PTS ,and lay to rest, those in need of it.
Unfortunately too, some of you ave been involved in the closure of US equine slaughterhouses. Instead of improving, you destroyed, leaving the unintended consequence of horses being shipped over our boarders to where we have no over site.
I am with Bluey in this.
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