Flying Change Hell Support Group

Oh DMK, welcome to hell! Come join in, and enjoy the non-linear training progress going forward and general angst every time you canter across the diagonal! It’s fun. After the ride, you turn them out and they brazenly canter off with their buddies doing flying changes at every turn! But I will say, when he does learn his changes under saddle—that will be the most adorable thing in the ring. Fjord tempis!

We are doing out 3rd level debut this weekend at a schooling show. If things go okay—it’s onto recognized. I will say that our changes are now pretty darn confirmed __at_home. Not sure what will happen at a show when my mare gets in her show mode and her back is nice and tight as a drum. :roll_eyes: Ahh well—we will give it a try and see how it goes.

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It adorable that you think our dreams extend past a single change in each direction! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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I thought we were finally out of flying change hell. We have been getting our changes at least 95% of the time on the great footing in the indoor all winter. First spring show this past weekend, and we didn’t get to take our footing with us. Rings were basically a lake with some sand and mud under it. Horse is not a mudder. It turns out we left our changes at home along with our usual arena footing and our medium and extended gaits. Homework: work in a variety of footing.

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This is how it starts. Let me tell you, when you get into the depths of FC hell, there are flying. changes. everywhere.

Except when you want them.

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As you know, my mare was probably high fiving your pony each time he came up with a new gait. Also egging him on, “Make DMK feel like you have 5 legs! Ok, that was good, now go for 7 legs! Hmm, needs work. Keep at it young man.” :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

My flying change hell update is that various respiratory nonsenses have chucked us back to “can we even do a freaking collected canter this week?” over and over. It seems every time we get to the point where we feel ready to tackle them again, Madam has a physical (respiratory) set back that sees us reverting to walk rides on a long rein during yet another course of abx. I’ve got another scope booked in hopes of getting to the bottom of the (hopefully resolvable) issue that will allow us to progress through FCH in a more linear manner.

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I backed off on the flying changes leading up to spring horse trials, so I guess I’m out of this particular hell for a few months. I wouldn’t call them confirmed at all but my boy has been tidier with his leads over fences and sometimes offers clean changes while jumping, which is what I really wanted.

At our last horse trial we had to jump a table, turn left, jump a coop, turn right through the water, then jump a brush—at the last stride on dry ground he did this perfect back-to-front dressage change from left to right. I saw it on the video and my little DQ heart went pitter-patter. :heart_eyes:

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So, um, we did a thing. We did several things, only one of them a flying change, but hey. This week we had 2 vet appointments for various respiratory investigations. She was fresh and peppy after her first scope, trotting back to her friends when I put her back outside and generally carrying on like a hooligan. So instead of a day off for stress, she got worked that night and went well. The second appointment was longer and more stressful so I gave her that night off. Usually after a day off, I get a fire-breathing dragon. Not so much so I rode her like normal and said to myself, “Hmm, this counter canter feels amazing, I wonder …” and so I asked for a change and got a change that was not only clean but didn’t cause my ass to part company with my saddle :o

We were near the end of our work so I gave her a paymint for her good effort and called it a day. I’m very excited to see what we get over the next week or so - will the great canter continue or will something cause us to revert to cracked out racing llama or worse will she get sick again.

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This visual cracked me up. I once had a clinician ask me “Did you pay for that saddle? Then put your ass in it! I can see Germany between your ass and the saddle!”.

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Love it!

My biggest mistake was in teaching this particular horse the same way I’ve taught many others. I’ve always allowed a buck and a run after a change. It’s always worked out well to end up with bright, clean, forwards, straight changes. Until this horse. This one took “good girl” and ran with it - MORE BIGGER BETTER REWARD FOR CRAZY YAY FINALLY!!! MY MOMMY WUVS ME!!! WHEEEEE!!! We got that mostly settled down but she will still leap to the point my ass gets a little airing out for a moment as she comes down onto the new lead.

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I finally opened this thread as I’m still a ways away from “flying” change hell. But we are in simple change purgatory.

Went to a show and did a 2’3” Hunter class, and my horse changed perfectly - every time. I don’t know what I did or what I didn’t do, and of course it’s the only round I don’t have on video.

The judge congratulated me at the end of the round ( schooling show, lovely venue, course and jumps) Pinned first. ( and yes I was the most triumphant AA you’ve seen on the planet)

I can’t replicate what happened there, at home, Yet I can get changes over fences, and now, always, a two trot simple change. I do fear however, the coming hell of on demand flat changes

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I haven’t had a chance to read any of the posts but I wanted to say “I’m here and I feel your pain” :laughing:

Started changes on my 7yo at the end of December. We are doing OK with the L to R change (except I don’t dare move an inch in the saddle or he will change 3xs in a row) and my R to L change is struggling to obtain AND maintain collection. We have a tiny skip thru that change.

For me the most frustrating part right now is the anticipation both ways. I barely have a canter at all and God forbid I change bend or haunches in or try to send him more forward as that all results in chaos :laughing:

Looking fwd to reading some of the tips.

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So we had a clinic this weekend and worked on changes today and it wasn’t pretty. I’ll get through the show next weekend but then I have to try to end the taking over and just doing them without an aid, as well as the leaping through the changes to avoid using herself or not wanting to wait until asked. We definitely can’t move forward without fixing this.

LetItBe

I closed my eyes, held my breath and jumped into the shallow end of the flying change pool of hell.

My horse has a semi-reliable change on course while jumping. Most of the time we land on the proper lead, so the flying change is unnecessary and not something we deliberately work on. As an eventer, he isn’t likely to go Advanced so “dressage changes” is of minimal importance, but counter-canter definitely is.

For a couple years, we have worked at counter canter and he is very solid. Like, never ever tries to change…if he does have a moment loss of balance, he will trot, not lose the lead. But that is rare. The CC is balanced, rhythmic, soft with energy. Along the way we added walk/canter simple changes, and that was HUGE in developing his best canter. On good days, I can get beautiful, balanced simple changes from my abs and my seat. On bad days, I need a bit more half halts from leg and hand, but he understands the procedure and just needs help to stay together and use his butt.

I have installed changes on three other horses with degrees of success. Reading this thread inspired me to try with this one. We have the ingredients: solid CC, solid simple changes, balanced active canter, straightness, bend/counter bend, and positioning. We have done them in the jump saddle with minimal set-up preparation (but also no cares if front-to-back).

So I tried. I got a swap in front. Tried again. Full swap, late behind, tried again. I think I got a clean change! I should have quit, but I got greedy and wanted to get it right…and everything fell apart. Rushed, crooked canter, tension, swaps in front, frustrated horse. Quit for the day.

We had an event coming up, so shelved the flying changes and counter canter only. Now my jumping changes were a mess…I tried to set him up and it only made him more off balance. Cross canter galore. It took two weeks of apologizing before the jumping changes came back.

A month later, tried the dressage change again. He is more solid attempting R to L, so I came across the diagonal, set him up, it didn’t feel right as we came to the rail, so I kept half halting until I felt him wanting to change. We were at the corner, I rushed it and gave him a tap with the right hand whip to Get It Done. He gave an “expressive” clean change…lots of lift, came through behind, but I overrode the left rein and he was snarling and inverted. Oops. Centered a few strides on the left lead, walked and lots of praise. No more changes for the day, finished up with some trot work.

A few days later, I tried again near the end of our ride. Right lead, medium canter down the long side, downward transition, 10m half circle to the rail, half halt to compress into a jumpy canter, asked for the change (no whip this time!) and Boom it was there. Immediate praise, long rein, pats, he walked off with his ears pricked and we quit for the day.

I haven’t asked again for the L to R change. I want to solidify R to L first and not completely lose our canter identity. This is a smart horse who usually tries very hard and aims to please, but also has a real sense of righteousness and gets tense when upset.

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This exercise has really helped me this week!

@the_sandiest_shoes Aww hurray! Glad to hear it.

Worry not: hell will wait for you.

Not that I’m the arbiter of FC Hell, but welcome. Very fun place here. You may end up questioning your decisions and/or your sanity, but worry not. Everyone does.

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My update generally is that I debuted boo boo at Third last month with some respectable 66% scores, but the changes were all 5s. Room to improve as I say! I thought 5 was generous when we did three changes instead of one on the diagonal :joy:.

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Sounds like it should have been at least a 10 if not 15 in my book.

Related note: ages ago, the first horse I put changes on ascended to GP due to mostly his good character (and despite my riding). Did at least 20 GP tests. Never, not once, got the right number of 1-tempis: sometimes 13, sometimes 19; once, embarrassingly, 23 (on a 17.3hh gelding who I’m fairly certain broke the space/time continuum to even fit that many strides on one diagonal).

Punchline: changes are hard. And somehow they stay hard.

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I’m finding success in navigating the R to L change. Quite proud, if I do say so. Clean change 90% of attempts, on short diagonal, counter canter to change on the short side, and tentatively once on the quarter line. Bonus: our right lead is super and counter canter is still intact.

Not so bonus: need a rosetta stone to comprehend the L to R change. Aint Happenin. Used all the same set up as R to L, but nope, swap in front or break to trot. Can’t seem to get engaged and organized to get the hind end to change off the left lead. Tried exagerrating right bend, haunches in/out, shoulder in/out, and so many simple changes. Some days the left lead just disappears and all I have is the right lead (BUT, I can flying change to pick up the left lead!).

In between shows I can play with this. But as horse trials approach, we have to put the flying changes away.

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Slight ascension from FCH!! Baby girl got one gorgeous 7 change today (behold, as pictured!) and one ok fine change and I got my personal best at Third with a 68.8!! Hallelujah!!!

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Wow well done!