Frustrated with my riding position!

Yes I am very short like you, I’m 5’2. I ride short but I’m not quite ready to lengthen. Almost there.

If it is you and not the saddle have you thought about seeing a Chiro? I had an issue with my pelvis I was unaware of for years that preventing me from being able to sit tall. Another thing that really helped me was warming up without stirrups at the walk or anytime I walk to walk without stirrups. You will find after a few minutes of tight your hips are and whether that is contributing to your issues.

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Yeah see I think I tried to lengthen too early. I’m curious to get video in a shorter stirrup and doing some suggestions. Either way, I’m taking notes about what I want in my next saddle.

I have thought about the chiropractor but I’m nervous about since my joints dislocate so easily. One day I woke up, yawned and my jaw fully dislocated and landed me at the ER. But I’m thinking of trying ROLFing. I think that might be safer to start. Maybe with a very cautious, knowledgeable Chiropractor later on.

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Maybe a riser under the cantle might help?

It was just fitted to him last in December, so I’m hesitant to mess too much with saddle fit. But they are coming to make any adjustments to the new jump saddle in the next 30 to 60 days so I think I’ll have them peek at the dressage again just in case.

A lot of these photos are before they adjusted the flocking in it. I need new photos.

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One thought is to try a shorter thigh block. I think I can use different brands since they are Velcro? Or try just taking the knee blocks off all the way.
I can try to move them up but not sure there is any room to do so. But i wonder about a shorter block.

Not that it will solve everything but it’s worth a try.

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I’ll be asking my coach tomorrow if my mare is sinking her back…you know, hollowing it, because i don’t think she looks very much uphill naked. But, when we ride i was finding myself back too far back toward the cantle. I put a riser in there to keep my body more centered, to keep the saddle itself level so i don’t ride back on it.

That can definitely contribute. If you look closely, You can see some shim pads under the cantle of my saddle. That was before it was flocked for my horse. I still think my position isn’t great… But I looked back through a few years and sitting towards the back of the saddle happened on multiple horses and in multiple saddles. Some were definitely worse than others but it seems to be a running theme for my own body/riding. Honestly I wish I could 100% blame the saddle but I’m not sure I can. Lol.

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My coach called me on it. So i didn’t sit back more than a small segment of one lesson. She told me to get a riser and try that. She did not tell me to do stuff to ‘round’ my horse, so i’m thinking this mare of mine isn’t hollowing her back. I doubt coach would let something like that go unnoticed/unresolved. But, i’m going to ask anyway lol.

The lifting and rounding of the horses back takes time and strength and develops over years. The most extreme form is in collection. It would not be appropriate to try to force this in a green horse.

To see how your horses back moves watch them on the longe, or doing lateral in hand, or even just trotting at liberty. You will see the back lift when the horse is carrying themselves nicely.

Downhill does not mean they can’t engage their backs or collect.

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honestly I just have to laugh. I think I just do weird things. It will get better and perhaps I do need a very certain saddle but my goodness my body is just a little silly acting. Yes my stirrups are short in this one, we tried a few variations of lengths.

I’m at home with a pretty sick kid but I hope I can ride this weekend!!

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Assuming that the saddle is sitting level, I think two related things cause people to sit back to the cantle 1) too wide of a twist/tightness in the hips, and 2) blocks or rolls that prevent the thigh from sliding down/forward adequately.

With the western saddle obviously nothing is blocking your thigh in the western saddle. I get the impression in that photo that you’ve tensed up in your hip joints and upper thighs, and that has popped you up out of the saddle. Western saddles tend to feel wide, so it can be pretty tough to have a draped leg and sit deep. It’s important to not tense the glutes because that will ratchet you up out of the seat too.

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Yeah this was a horse I don’t normally ride and during a demanding but good ride in a clinic. I just laugh because my body seems to react wrongly in a lot of situations. The trick is to not get frustrated and desperate because that leads to more position issues due to increased tension.

I’m rereading my Sally Swift book now :slight_smile: and going to try some workouts.

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I don’t know how that photo got added but the little chestnut and grey are both catch rides.

I’m also an EDS-diagnosed rider in my 30s. I’ve had similar problems in the past with my lower leg bunching up. I think part of it IS making sure the horse is properly trained to respond to your leg - if you are constantly nagging, your heel will tend to come up. But I seemed to have a harder time than most people.

The things that have worked best for me:

First, PT, PT, PT. You have to find a PT who understands EDS and can identify the best areas to target in order to stabilize you. And they need to be able to ensure you do them correctly and progressively. For EDSers, this is harder than it sounds! It is so easy for us to miss strengthening smaller stabilizer muscles and just fling our weight onto already-overdeveloped muscles–or worse, our joints.

Second, try to stay in the best shape you can, include as much resistance/weight training as you safely can, and try to find forms of exercises that complement your PT strengthening goals. For me, this mean working a ton on my core (especially the deep stabilizing muscles) and posterior chain (glutes, hamstrings). And cycling is really helpful, because it stabilizes my pelvis and works some of the muscles along the base of my spine in a way that’s really good for me. EDS sufferers also tend to decondition really quickly (the pandemic shutdown was ROUGH), so be mindful of that and try to avoid long layoffs unless you have an injury.

Third, just in terms of my riding position, doing lots of two-point is really helpful. So is practicing balancing at the walk while standing in the stirrups. No-stirrup work can be a double-edged sword, because it tightens my inner thigh muscles and that actually throws me pelvis out of whack. Doing PT right before/after riding is also fantastic - a little bit of glute/hamstring work reminds my body to use the right muscles in the saddle, and some abductor exercises and adductor stretches afterwards helps rebalance my hips/pelvis and lessen the anterior pelvic tilt someone else mentioned above.

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Also - as someone with EDS, I would stay far, far away from chiropractors.

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Thanks so much! It’s actually really comforting to hear I’m not alone. EDS is such a weird thing to deal with and I’m still coming to terms with my it. I almost didn’t feel like it was “real” at first when I was diagnosed. But as time goes on, I see different areas that it affects me. Even my eyes!

I will bite the bullet and get some PT so at least I have more information about what I can or can’t do. I definitely have felt I’ve injured myself over doing it with a certain exercise before.

And I have noticed a quick loss of fitness. It makes me feel nuts! I feel like people that hardly do any physical activities are better off than me- and I work out 5 days a week.

This is all helpful- thanks so much.

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I also tried some feldenkrais method videos, at the recommendation of another poster. I’m always skeptical of that kind of stuff but I have to say the one little video I did, I felt great afterwards. When I try to do a lot of stretching or yoga type of movements sometimes I feel much worse after. Like it’s too much for my body. But this was much less aggressive and wow. I’m not sure if it’s all in my head but just walking around my hips felt looser. I’m going to try some more videos and I’m hoping to go ride tonight.

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I was going to recommend seeking out a Feldenkrais or Alexander Technique practitioner. If you can find one who is a rider, so much the better, but not essential.

Much less invasive than a chiropractor, and will give you work you can do yourself at home between sessions.

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Feldenkrais is fantastic, OP - I’ve been doing it for a couple of years now and the difference in my riding is remarkable when I do the exercises consistently. It loosens you up, it aligns you, and none of it is “by force“, or “intense“ :wink:

I was planning to weigh in on this thread with that suggestion, but someone beat me to it!

My daughter has EDS, and stretching is, for her, no Bueno. I stretch for an hour and a half a day, but I have very tight muscles and very tight fascia – so it helps me immensely! But the Feldenkrais exercises do this without putting traction on the muscles.

Definitely recommend it! It will help you become more symmetrical, it will unlock your hips, rib cage, and shoulders, and none of it is painful.

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