Games Trainers Play: The Florida Horse Saga

[AnotherRound]

I’ll have to vote - false x-rays. Is it possible that a vet never actually looked at the horse. Maybe these films are of another vetting of another horse that Thing 2 had on record. Hmmmmmmmmm…

Why did they have the vet check “early”? How does that work? The vet not only was on time, he came over before the appointment time?

Or, They took the horse to the clinic and showed up early, and the techs took the horse early?

Well, a vet, hopefully her vet in KY, could see on the films when the xrays were done, where, and make a call to confirm the horse’s identification which was x-rayed. Not that hard.

Now, if you were going to ship a horse away for a trial for two months - I know, I know, none of you WOULD do that - but IF - might you not have a vet check including xrays done, to track your horse’s health before and after being in someone else’s care? Just for your own sake? So, you would know abouyt the calcification before the seller did. Actually. I would have.

Hoo Boy.

[Dispatcher]

[QUOTE=WindWillowStable;2944977]
Hahaha…I love your name 867-5309! It took me a second to realize why you had a phone number as your name! :lol:[/QUOTE]

It’s taking me more than a second. Can you clue me in?!

[birdsong]

Well I freaked!!

Ran to computer to check first thing this morning and couldn’t find the thread…I scrolled back and forth…panicking!! Thought something horrible had happened and the drama llamas had jumped over the cliff causing the mods to close the thread. I was scrambling to think of who I could PM to get the scoop…I was just LOST!!
It was like getting a fix to find it at last!! sigh…

Oh yes…must cash the check…then deposit the funds…

[AnotherRound]

It’s taking me more than a second. Can you clue me in?!

1960’s. Circa “Red-Rubber Ball”, and “Windy”.

Eight Six Seven five three Oh-Nieeeeine,
Eight Six Seven five three Oh-Nieeeeine

If you don’t know the music, it don’t make sense. But alot of us do, so its a cute profile name.

[Sings to her self another song from her early teens]
Who’s walking down the streets of the city
Smiling at everybody she sees
Who’s reaching out to capture a rainbow
Everyone knows, its Windy!

And Windy has stormy eyes!
Which flash at the sound of lies!
And Windy has wings to fly!
Up up above!
(Up up above)
Up, up above!

[goeslikestink]

[QUOTE=Tiempo;2945282]
I found them!

http://i6.tinypic.com/7x45iyu.jpg

Funny thing is, whenever I read Mod 1 and Mod 2 referred to, I can’t help but see them in this way too :D[/QUOTE]

hahaha

iam in the phonney camp— as if the neddy was that bad and ppe was his then he owuldnt be performing as well as he does in those jumping pics but i have a nother twist to the tale

haha

do you think they changed his name knowing that they had or did have a horse perviously with the same sounding name – hence phoney ppe

see you put to neds together – with same name sort of and same colour whos to say whos who

if you understand my meaning

plus – if they were fuse and said only 3 more years left of jumping sounds older horse not a young one

and hi style a nd performance over the jumps just doesnt match shitty hock or joints

plus why bring the ppe- early when you surposedly dated for 18jan
vets would just altered a pre arranged date-- as they have cleints aand visits to do
they book in advance if anything they dont work backwards –
and why oh why hasnt she said to epona-- about it before if the ppe was early as epona would have said

something tells me she - might not have the money–

suprosing epona got on mateys neavers and she just saying she got check just to shut her up
no offence mateyxx

or surposing they said she getting check – but you have a bank holiday dont you

so surely thats an extra day latest - if it takes 5 days to reach xyz as you say

this is still ssussy as if it takes 5 days or so to bank a check which will be next monday as rthis mondya you say is bank holiday-- ok bear that in mind

and 2 – how comes a ppe can come quickly – in the same time
as in fl to ky-- how did the photo xrays get there in such a short time if post takes the same amount of time as 5 days or so

do you see what iam trying to say

[goeslikestink]

oi donkey man dont give up just yet
and epon find out whos the vet

[ChocoMare]

Yeah. Methinks something is rotten in Florida. :o

[Glenaerie]

[QUOTE=eponacowgirl;2945027]
They were “kind” enough to have the vet check done early. Sent friend digital films that she went over with her vet back in KY. Films show calcifications in ankles and hocks which will eventually cause them to fuse. (No, I don’t have any way of knowing if films were actually of the horse or to what degree this showed, nor do I know if this is an life-altering as one may make it out to be…) Vet projected only 2-3 years left of jumping for this horse. [/QUOTE]

Your friend went over the films with her own vet back in Kentucky? How did she come to choose her Kentucky vet in the first place? Was he recommended by Someone?

[sidepasser]

That was my thoughts exactly:

Did seller have a PPE done before sending horse or perhaps when seller bought horse originally? I am sure that the amount of damage claimed by buyers could not be that great in a short amount of time.

I would really question that PPE…I surely would. I have never heard of a horse with that much damage not showing some sort of lameness or NQR, have you?

Epona - do you know if there was a previous PPE done by seller?

Well if seller came off the price by a 1,000, sounds like she just covered the PPE for the buyer as I believe that is about what they cost for xrays and so forth.

I would certainly have me a copy of those xrays and I would also request a conference between my vet and “their” vet (along with a copy of his/her license to practice to be sure he really is not the Maaco repair man instead)…

Lesson: If sending horse out on trial - take pics of vital joints before allowing horse to leave…have pics available and a vet report to show horse was in good shape before leaving property. Just how much is it going to cost sellers to sell a horse now?

[Posting_Trot]

Well, the good news is that if the check is indeed in the mail, and then the check proves to be no good, then that constitutes mail fraud which is is pretty big deal crime.

So this would no longer be a civil case, but would have crossed the line into criminal.

[Dispatcher]

[QUOTE=AnotherRound;2945938]
1960’s. Circa “Red-Rubber Ball”, and “Windy”.

Eight Six Seven five three Oh-Nieeeeine,
Eight Six Seven five three Oh-Nieeeeine

If you don’t know the music, it don’t make sense. But alot of us do, so its a cute profile name.

[Sings to her self another song from her early teens]
Who’s walking down the streets of the city
Smiling at everybody she sees
Who’s reaching out to capture a rainbow
Everyone knows, its Windy!

And Windy has stormy eyes!
Which flash at the sound of lies!
And Windy has wings to fly!
Up up above!
(Up up above)
Up, up above![/QUOTE]

I sure do remember those songs. Ya know, I THOUGHT that’s what it was but wasn’t sure!!! I got to thinkin’ that I wasn’t remembering the numbers correctly . Thankf for the update

[Woodland]

[QUOTE=Anne FS;2945356]
Well, that’s actually exactly it: it rhymes!

From Urban Dictionary:

'Like the Bluebird of Happiness or the Chicken of depression, the arrival of the Drama-Llama guarantees that a situation will become emotionally unstable. Tears will be shed, accusations will fly, and hearts will be broken."

More:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drama+llama

And for those of us who draw THAT person in the boarding barn or office-worker Secret Santa pool (because of course every barn and every office has one!):

http://www.zazzle.com/llama_oh_no_the_drama_llama_followed_you_home_shirt-235232932257761321[/QUOTE]

OMG OMG OMG -I have to order the Tee Shirt!!! :lol::lol::lol:

[eponacowgirl]

KY vet is used by most of the college kids. She’s good- travels a large area. Excellent with lamenesses and the such.

Seller did a pre-trial exam- just a look-over, body score, teeth, serviceably sound, vision, etc.

[DMK]

@AnotherRound;2945938

1960’s. Circa “Red-Rubber Ball”, and “Windy”.

Hmmm, unless I’m forgetting an earlier version, I’m afraid I’m going to have to fast forward to the 80’s version by Tommy Tutone (a funny warped little song that is so very NOT about a girlfriend in the traditional sense).

As for x-rays, it takes a lot of work to pull off fraud and conspiracy, as much fun as that idea is. You would have to have a horse the vet did not know AND you would have to know the results of that vetting in advance. And yes, you could have x-rays in advance, but you run the risk that the seller’s vet is not going to have the x-rays submitted by the PPE vet and isnt’ going to be available for follow up conversations regarding interpretation issues. It could happen, absolutely. But in the real world people just usually aren’t that organized or SMRT.

And it’s not hard to believe an OTTB who has probably had a job since he is 2 is on his way to fused hocks. It’s not the end of the world, it’s what happens to older horses from the school of hard work. Ankles are definitely more troublesome, but it could very well be that there are just slight changes there and he flexes clean, so it’s a worthwhile risk - we here on this thread are hearing this what? 8th hand? Any chance some finer details might have been lost in the translation?. And it’s also just as likely that the PPE vet said something like “He could be done in 2-3 years or he could go on for another 10, it’s impossible to know, BUT he has [insert issues] that could affect his ability to perform at [insert level] in the future.” That’s sort of how PPEs work, right?

And any buyer worth his salt does NOT base the purchase on the best possible PPE scenario, but the worst to likely scenario: “Regardless of anything else that could happen to this horse 5 seconds after I buy him, I have to consider that there is a possibility that he will only be doing this job for another X years. If so, what is he worth to me?”

At the end of the day these people have asked the seller for x, y & z and the seller has repeatedly granted it whether it is our idea of a smart move or not. It’s really hard to place blame on the buyer for anything other than hutzpah (or sheer ignorance, hard to say) or accuse them of fraud based on the evidence at hand.

[Woodland]

[QUOTE=fourmares;2945557]
So anyone else think that the next thing that will happen is that the buyer will want to send a cashiers check for 5000 more than the agreed upon price. Seller should cash the check and send him back the extra $5K right away…[/QUOTE]

OMG That is SO Funny!!!

Is the buyer from Nigeria? :lol::lol::D:lol::D:lol::lol:

[AnotherRound]

@Posting Trot;2945997

Well, the good news is that if the check is indeed in the mail, and then the check proves to be no good, then that constitutes mail fraud which is is pretty big deal crime.

So this would no longer be a civil case, but would have crossed the line into criminal.

Interesting. And, Federal criminal. Interesting.

[Anne_FS]

[QUOTE=AnotherRound;2945938]

And Windy has stormy eyes!
Which flash at the sound of lies!
And Windy has wings to fly!
Up up above!
(Up up above)
Up, up above![/QUOTE]

Actually, it’s:

And Windy has stormy eyes
That flash at the sound of lies!
And Windy has wings to fly
Above the clouds
Above the clouds

Yes, I am old.

[Sandy_M]

I don’t know about ankles, but having the hocks “fuse” is generally a GOOD thing, isn’t it? That is, my horse was not lame, but not moving as freely and working through the back. Off to vet clinic. Slight reaction to hock flexions. X-rays. Verdict: arthritic changes, but the good news is: He’s starting to fuse. Okay. Thereafter, bi-yearly HA injections to keep him comfortable and working. As the years pass, the hocks fuse (the little multiple joints), eventually, no more injections because hocks have fused. Horse is sound and comfortable. Limitation of movement? about 2% or 3%. Negligible. I realize there may be more serious versions of this scenario, but I am confused, 'cause that’s how it went for me. What finally got my guy, at age 21, was arthritic stifles.

[Cherry]

Speaking of busses… :lol: I think we missed one!!! :winkgrin: We should have gotten together and hired Vinny Parco, the TV detective, to go down to Florida and bust this ring!!! :eek: :yes: He really got to the bottom of things in his cases (at least the ones that were shown on TV). Cameras hidden in brooches, recording devices… :lol: By the time he got done with the “evil doers” they were screamin’ “Uncle!”… :yes: Man, what I wouldn’t have given to be a fly on the wall down there in that barn in FL… (Assuming they didn’t have fly control of any sort)…

But I agree with those who say it ain’t over until the cashier’s check has cleared!!! We’re looking at about three more weeks yet, eh??? :uhoh:

[goeslikestink]

to true dmk

arh so it was the sellar that had the ppe – right

then it anit worth p – as ppe are only worht the paper they written on - on the day and time done

think car with mot-- if you smash driver side wing mirror day after you had mot its not legal
same thing with a ppe

umm- i forgot he was ottb – so that would account for huge jumping ability if he was a chaser would be as bold as they come

your explinations does snwer that bit

but still not happy with check in post bit-- and that they have had the horse this lenght of time --and worked him
but in same token 1000 drop and what you say isnt such a bad thing as how you explained what a vet would say - would say that as cant commit themselves for time lenght no one could as it might not even happen