thank you, I think I got it…ok, so he will be on gastroguard, the whole tube for the next week(I bought 7 tubes), and then I will put him on ulcergard, (since that is cheaper), one tube ulcergard for the remaining 21 days. then, he goes on preventative dosing.
I wish I could talk to my vet about this, but she is of the mind to just give some mylanta.
So, thank you for clarifying all this for me.
fivehorses - if you see a big improvement in 1 week, you know you are on the right track.
If you read some of the other threads about ulcers and treating them, you’ll see where people that do the full 28 days then drop to a week or 2 weeks of 1/2 tube of either product. Then to 1/4 tube of either product. Then, some people can go to everyother day of 1/4 tube OR, only when the horse will be stressed.
You can add any of the soothers (U-gard in powder, liquid, or pellets; Neigh lox; Ulcer-rid, Ulcer-ease, etc. etc. ) when you go down to the 1/4 tube.
And you have the info for DiscountPetdrugs, right? They have money off right now… depending on how much you spend. Their shipments take up to 1 week to arrive. The stuff from PonyMeds is very good too. Search here for PonyMeds and you might find the most recent one.
I saw “cheap” Ulcergard on Ebay today. Buyers beware and all that, but thought I would let you know.
[QUOTE=TrotTrotPumpkn;3880330]
I saw “cheap” Ulcergard on Ebay today. Buyers beware and all that, but thought I would let you know.[/QUOTE]
WOW. THAT is a GREAT price. Too bad it’s not buy it now for that price! I imagine it would end right about at $30/tube…
[QUOTE=Simkie;3880339]
WOW. THAT is a GREAT price. Too bad it’s not buy it now for that price! I imagine it would end right about at $30/tube…[/QUOTE]
I’m such a skeptic…especially when it comes to ebay and sellers with 0 feedback… Notice how the photo is for 3 boxes. I wonder if they mean 12 syringes or 12 doses. The price is too high for 3 syringes, but kinda low for 12 syringes. I would be skeptical as to what you would get. The wording is not very clear.
[QUOTE=avezan;3880447]
I’m such a skeptic…especially when it comes to ebay and sellers with 0 feedback… Notice how the photo is for 3 boxes. I wonder if they mean 12 syringes or 12 doses. The price is too high for 3 syringes, but kinda low for 12 syringes. I would be skeptical as to what you would get. The wording is not very clear.[/QUOTE]
I think being skeptical is good, you never know with eBay. Message the seller and clarify before you bid.
On the other hand, I have a vet friend who agreed to order me a round of Gastrogard and the price she gets it from wholesale is $26.50/tube. So if the eBay seller is someone who bought at the wholesale price and now just wants to get rid of the stuff because she doesn’t need it-- the opening bid is not SO FAR off the wholesale price.
That seller also had some Adequan up not too long ago and eBay yanked it because you aren’t able to sell prescription medicines. I betcha that’s someone who is buying retail (vet tech, has a vet who is a vet)?!
Following and need to ask a question also… new horse… acted fine for a month, now acting super cinchy (did first day… but it diminished when I thought he realized I dont cut horses in two)… now totally refusing the blanket and saddle… and bucking… got him now a week on ulcergard pellets 2 x daily… yesterday bought a tube of ulcergard hoping to give him a boost since he’s still acting oddly… how would you all suggest I move forward on this… keep the pellets going daily and how much of the tube should I administer?.. … I paid 48.75 for the ONE tube at the feed store! I cant afford to give this paste everyday as prevention… The other noted thing I have read is appetite… he eats like 10 horses! He’s not off his feed at all, eats every scrap and I feed 3 x a day… and is no longer under weight (I’ve had him 3 months now to rehab and place) … also… he’s been seen by the chiropractor also, no back issues so I am ruling that out for now… just trying everything so that this great horse can find super forever home.
Wow, this is an old thread.
Ulcergard pellets? Merial doesn’t makes Ulcergard pellets. 
Ugard, maybe?
I’m a big fan of scoping the horse before venturing down the omeprazole path, but if you can’t do that (due to finances or the availability of a 3m scope) then it’s fine just to treat. Giving a horse with a raging case of gastric ulcers any less than a full tube of gastrogard/ulcergard a day for 30+ days is really potentially throwing your money straight down the toilet, so I wouldn’t half-ass it. There are a lot of ways to do it inexpensively…or at least less expensively than the Merial products:
The compounded omeprazole/ranitidine paste from Precision Pharmacy. This is a script, so you’ll have to involve your vet. Cost is ~$300/month for treatment dose. This is my personal favorite as my vet has actually done pre and post scopes to confirm it works.
The Abler granules. Quite popular with people here. Order online, no vet needed.
Ranitidine. What we did before omeprazole. For best results, needs to be dosed three times daily, although many people find twice daily is fine. You can involve your vet for the high mg pills, or just hit up CostCo or Sam’s Club. Dose at 6.6 mg/kg.
There are also various other omeprazole preps from vendors like Horseprerace, but the news today is that the FDA has issued warnings and–in the case of HPR–they’re not including the labeled amount of omeprazole. So stay away from those…
[QUOTE=Simkie;7841888]
Wow, this is an old thread.
Ulcergard pellets? Merial doesn’t makes Ulcergard pellets. Ugard, maybe?
I’m a big fan of scoping the horse before venturing down the omeprazole path, but if you can’t do that (due to finances or the availability of a 3m scope) then it’s fine just to treat. Giving a horse with a raging case of gastric ulcers any less than a full tube of gastrogard/ulcergard a day for 30+ days is really potentially throwing your money straight down the toilet, so I wouldn’t half-ass it. There are a lot of ways to do it inexpensively…or at least less expensively than the Merial products:
The compounded omeprazole/ranitidine paste from Precision Pharmacy. This is a script, so you’ll have to involve your vet. Cost is ~$300/month for treatment dose. This is my personal favorite as my vet has actually done pre and post scopes to confirm it works.
The Abler granules. Quite popular with people here. Order online, no vet needed.
Ranitidine. What we did before omeprazole. For best results, needs to be dosed three times daily, although many people find twice daily is fine. You can involve your vet for the high mg pills, or just hit up CostCo or Sam’s Club. Dose at 6.6 mg/kg.
There are also various other omeprazole preps from vendors like Horseprerace, but the news today is that the FDA has issued warnings and–in the case of HPR–they’re not including the labeled amount of omeprazole. So stay away from those…[/QUOTE]
Great job summing this up! I’m going to save for future pasting! :lol:
[QUOTE=Simkie;7841888]
Wow, this is an old thread.
Ulcergard pellets? Merial doesn’t makes Ulcergard pellets. Ugard, maybe?
I’m a big fan of scoping the horse before venturing down the omeprazole path, but if you can’t do that (due to finances or the availability of a 3m scope) then it’s fine just to treat. Giving a horse with a raging case of gastric ulcers any less than a full tube of gastrogard/ulcergard a day for 30+ days is really potentially throwing your money straight down the toilet, so I wouldn’t half-ass it. There are a lot of ways to do it inexpensively…or at least less expensively than the Merial products:
The compounded omeprazole/ranitidine paste from Precision Pharmacy. This is a script, so you’ll have to involve your vet. Cost is ~$300/month for treatment dose. This is my personal favorite as my vet has actually done pre and post scopes to confirm it works.
The Abler granules. Quite popular with people here. Order online, no vet needed.
Ranitidine. What we did before omeprazole. For best results, needs to be dosed three times daily, although many people find twice daily is fine. You can involve your vet for the high mg pills, or just hit up CostCo or Sam’s Club. Dose at 6.6 mg/kg.
There are also various other omeprazole preps from vendors like Horseprerace, but the news today is that the FDA has issued warnings and–in the case of HPR–they’re not including the labeled amount of omeprazole. So stay away from those…[/QUOTE]
Yes… Ugard pelets… it would cost 1300.00 + to do a full tube a day for 30 days… I cannot do that…sad, but true… the rest of you you mentioned, although detailed still leaves me a bit confused… are you saying that If I give this horse the full tube, along with the pellets is still a waste of time?.. I’m far from the vet… vet call is 150.00 alone…
what is the name of the product I can get at Costco? and to confirm, that is without a vet rx. Someone told me to just give the horse regular people acid reflux meds from costco but i cant see/find anything to back that up so it scares me.
Thanks for taking the time to help me… Ulcers are new to me!
Oh… just saw that the Ranitidine is what is in Zantac … is that what you meant from Costco?
If you give the horse a single tube of Ulcergard plus the Ugard pellets, you are throwing away whatever money you spent on the Ulcergard. You may as well not give it at all. Ugard and Ulcergard are two totally different products-- Ugard is like tums, Ulcergard is like Prilosec. Tums won’t heal people stomach ulcers, although it does provide some temporary relief. Does the same for horses.
Omeprazole only works on ulcers if you give it over a period of time. It acts to shut down the acid pumps in the stomach so the body can heal the ulcers. It take 3-5 days of treatment dose to reach effect, and call it 30 days total (on average…) for ulcers to heal. If the ulcers are bad enough, it may take 45 or 60 days of treatment dose before the stomach heals.
what is the name of the product I can get at Costco? and to confirm, that is without a vet rx. Someone told me to just give the horse regular people acid reflux meds from costco but i cant see/find anything to back that up so it scares me.
Thanks for taking the time to help me… Ulcers are new to me!
You want this:
http://www.costco.com/Kirkland-Signature™-Acid-Reducer%2C-190-Tablets.product.11285699.html
Dose at 6.6 mg/kg at least every 12 hours. Every 8 is better.
[QUOTE=Simkie;7842074]
If you give the horse a single tube of Ulcergard plus the Ugard pellets, you are throwing away whatever money you spent on the Ulcergard. You may as well not give it at all. Ugard and Ulcergard are two totally different products-- Ugard is like tums, Ulcergard is like Prilosec. Tums won’t heal people stomach ulcers, although it does provide some temporary relief. Does the same for horses.
Omeprazole only works on ulcers if you give it over a period of time. It acts to shut down the acid pumps in the stomach so the body can heal the ulcers. It take 3-5 days of treatment dose to reach effect, and call it 30 days total (on average…) for ulcers to heal. If the ulcers are bad enough, it may take 45 or 60 days of treatment dose before the stomach heals.
You want this:
http://www.costco.com/Kirkland-Signature™-Acid-Reducer%2C-190-Tablets.product.11285699.html
Dose at 6.6 mg/kg at least every 12 hours. Every 8 is better.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU! 
Now Ive got it!
Hi… got the Acid Reducer from Costo mentioned above by Simkie… I’m feeling dumb… you said to dose at 6.6 mg… the pills are 150 mg… how do I give this?.. how to I break up the pill in 22 parts… am I way off?
[QUOTE=SunnieRose;7857336]
Hi… got the Acid Reducer from Costo mentioned above by Simkie… I’m feeling dumb… you said to dose at 6.6 mg… the pills are 150 mg… how do I give this?.. how to I break up the pill in 22 parts… am I way off?[/QUOTE]
You dose it at 6.6 mg/kg, as described above.
6.6 milligrams of drug per kilogram of horse weight.
A 1200 lb horse is 544 kg.
6.6mg x 544kg = 3590 mg
3590 mg/150 mg = 23.9 pills
Give 24 pills at least every 12 hours. 8 is better.
Adjust for horses than weigh more/less.
Thank you so much… I hate it when I’m so ignorant about things… and then so public about it! LOL! … so he’s just about 1000 pounds…
[QUOTE=Simkie;7857350]
You dose it at 6.6 mg/kg, as described above.
6.6 milligrams of drug per kilogram of horse weight.
A 1200 lb horse is 544 kg.
6.6mg x 544kg = 3590 mg
3590 mg/150 mg = 23.9 pills
Give 24 pills at least every 12 hours. 8 is better.
Adjust for horses than weigh more/less.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SunnieRose;7857378]
Thank you so much… I hate it when I’m so ignorant about things… and then so public about it! LOL! … so he’s just about 1000 pounds…[/QUOTE]
I’d still give her the 3590 mg (or 24 pills) every 12 hours, 8 if you can do it that often. A little more than the calculation for her weight won’t hurt her.
1000/2.2=454.55x6.6=3000mg (20 pills)
[QUOTE=YankeeLawyer;3878324]
I don’t scope if I suspect ulcers; I treat with gastroguard. If they respond positively to the gastroguard, you can be pretty sure you guessed right and just continue with the full treatment course. As expensive as gastroguard is, it is far less than taking the horse to be scoped only to find it needs gastroguard (and treating with gastroguard is less invasive than scoping). In addition, I prefer to avoid taking my horses to the medical clinic where they can be exposed to who knows what kind of infectious illness.[/QUOTE]
Plus it is a MINIMUM around here of a long drive (like, four hours I think) and a MINIMUM of $600 on top of that for just the scoping.
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