Although I suppose what she said could apply to someone who has a criminal conviction- that is an automatic ban correct?. So she may be not lying per say but out of context and hoping people will think her statements are true across the board. Either way I do not like her tact.
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I think the biggest incrimination of Bonnie Navin’s perspective is… Bonnie Navin. Knowing what she knows about Rob’s case (and what we now know about all the young teenage girls he molested based on Hillary Ridland’s informal press conference), she continues to rail against safe sport. There is no excuse for it.
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That is what I think as well
Some of what BN writes is correct, but not all. The main point to remember is this law was to Amend the Ted Stevens Act. The past has shown that children need to be protected. What does she recommend? That the accused is allowed to go along as business as usual until the time a hearing can be scheduled - maybe time to get a case together? Well, Jeffrey Epstein’s case was set to go to trial in June 2020. His attorneys said they would not be ready until after Labor Day 2020. Almost 15 months to prepare? How many kids will get abused in the meantime?
BN states in her fifth point that evidence is “AFTER the ban and AFTER the appeal…” She leaves out the fact that during the investigation the accused (Responding Party) can present ANY evidence they want to defend themselves. No, they don’t get to cross-examine the witnesses, or the people interviewed by the investigator, but they do know who accused them and can offer evidence to defend/exonerate themselves. If their evidence clears their name than there is NO ban, no need to seek an appeal and no need to pay $5000 for your “Entry fee” ( is that the legal term?) for your appeal. This was proven in Tommy Serio’s case.
And her laughing comment about no appeal process available under SafeSport - That is what the arbitration hearing is. She can take the stance that JAMS is not impartial, yet she also spouts unconfirmed statistics of cases that have been overturned during arbitration, so since JAMS doesn’t always side with SS, they appear to be impartial to me.
If you look at the list of banned people, is there a name on that list that is a surprise? I can come up with many more names that should be on that list, and they may find their way on it in due time. Those protecting the dirty secret of the sport should instead be interested in improving its image, not continuing to shove their head deeper in the sand.
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Which brings me right back to the whole “we want this to be in a criminal court” argument. No they don’t.
Because the same people arguing innocent until proven guilty don’t want to accept a guilty plea.
They just want to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend sexual abuse doesn’t exist in their little world.
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I believe he’s been here for about a decade and only popped up on people’s radar a few years ago, when he was showing himself in conjunction with Riverchase Farm’s clients, after taking over the business. If he was hanging around here before that, he’d been completely on the sidelines and under-the-radar.
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But but but…
He has trained horses AND riders to the top levels of INTERNATIONAL competition. And started over 300 horses.
And he’s a PROFESSOR. Or was a professor? Anyway - he stopped teaching at Mason because he wants to be some sort of leader in changing the culture of the local horse community. Something about making it fun again… :uhoh:
And he was an Army Ranger. (At least he claimed to be according to another poster).
And we was found guilty of 3rd degree sodomy in New York State back in 2000 when he was 30 and the victim was 14
And last but not least - this guy tried to start an IEA team last year.
Where in the world did he find the time for all this?!? Army Rangers are pretty busy and most have seen a lot of combat over the last 2 decades…
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@oneequestrienne Yes, I knew that it was Kathy Hobstetter’s post and Peggy was just sharing it, not advocating the idea. That’s what I was trying to say, but obviously, didn’t say it very well. I blame lack of caffeine, but apologise to Peggy anyway.
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I can’t speak to his curriculum vitae or his supposed military career in the 90’s, but he was the instructor for at least one recreational elective offering at Mason, Introduction To Horsemanship, for a very brief time, before someone else stepped up and offered it. I don’t know if he was given the boot because of his status - at the time - as a sex offender or because he did something wrong or because he just didn’t want to do it, but it was not a long-term thing for him. His use of the term “Professor” doesn’t make him a Professor, as the term is just generically used in the paperwork to refer to the instructors or “whomever is in charge”.
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You forgot that he was also Christopher Reeve’s groom. I’m surprised that so many in the local area have never heard of such an illustrious “BNT” like him.
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Well, probably none, because he was going to sit in jail waiting for that trial. Which I guess some people consider less onerous than an interim suspension.
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Hmm. Think things through. Probably a good exercise in general, but not one always employed.
Edited to note that that this was directed at the ISWG crowd and not dannyboy. And I interpreted what what s/he said as not directed at me.
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I think she was just using that as an example of how long a trial could take and how long someone following BN “wants” for SS could be around kids if no interim suspension was issued.
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What is the timeline for GMs appeal? Is there a date we should be looking forward to for an answer?
If SafeSport receives notice of a criminal
case that ends in something other than acquittal (including pleading down to a lesser charge in a plea bargain), the person is immediately banned without an investigation. Those are the cases listed as “criminal disposition”. In equestrian, 75% of the bans are “criminal disposition” as opposed to the result of SafeSport investigations.
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I’d guess we would have to keep an eye on the news - I forget where I got a “50 days” number but that’s what popped into my head first… then they’ll ask for continuance/time until the defense was prepared on some regular basis.
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Well, Tom’s ban was listed as of December 2018. Then there was a “pending appeal” which apparently became final just about the same day as George’s ban was announced. I think SS said about 45 days for the appeals process, but noted that that timeline was fluid, depending on circumstances.
Actually it’s kind of handy that the ban takes effect immediately, because it removes the incentive for the banned person to drag out the appeals process.
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Crashing Boar wrote: “I just don’t see Generation Snowflake producing the grit, guts, and resilience to get us there.” I beg to differ. Was in Las Vegas last November for the World Cup qualifier class. Watched the juniors in the eq and hunter classes…I was relieved to see really good riding, and even better riding if an error was made on course. Alot of the really good riders are in someone’s back yard, not seen by the “elite” coaches…I digress…no comment on the Morris thing; still trying to wrap my head around the whole thing…
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I know what is actually supposed to happen. What I don’t understand is all the contradiction within BN’s statement. She is supposedly giving us a look on the inside of the procedure. Yet she simultaneously says something doesn’t happen then later says it does.
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