Getting Weight on a Clydesdale

I didn’t use soy because it’s pricey and corn is cheaper, with similar levels of vitamins and fats. Canola is harder to digest and break down in septic systems, according to NC state Environmental Health folks. At the time, I bought oil in 35# bulk packs, it was definitely cheaper. Had I decided to get any more drafts, I would have bought my oil by the drum. I know humans are prone to asthma, but horses? I shall Google on…

I wonder how long anything with serious asthma would survive with nose in the grass/weeds 24/7? :eek:

Hey, RH20, I had not heard of flaxseed oil for horses, but it does make a dandy salad dressing… the only time I have used “Linseed Oil” was on furniture. Never heard of Micronized Linseed.

I used spray-on Frontline and they hated it, because it stung their poor feet. One had a really bad case of mites, and the other sowed no signs but I had to treat both. Then I got a recipe for powdered Agricultural food grade Sulfur and castor oil (mixed to a paste, wear rubber gloves, slather it on p to the knees, highly flammable, all that stuff) and the mites went by-by and did not come back. It did, however, result in a stinky :dead: barn for a few days… One treatment lasted about a month, and it bleached out the stains in their feathers. Once gone, the mites didn’t come back but I also did a treatment every three months after that… Have you got a better solution for mites?

Is it true that you Brits actually put baby powder on your draft horses feathers for shows?

Have a 7 yr., 16.1h, 1750-1800 lb Clyde mare. I got her 2 years ago at 5 and knew she had some growing and filling out yet to do. She eats a good quality A&T hay, and gets the recommended amount of Purina Enrich and a fat supplement of Purina Amplify. The Amplify is something you may want to look into

http://horse.purinamills.com/products/HORSESUPPLEMENTS/ECMD2-0032705.aspx

It is easy to feed and has everything others have suggested, it can be added to other concentrates if you choose. Her coat and feather are in great condition and her weight is now good just with pasture (summer) or hay (winter.) and her supps.

A big yes on the worming and having teeth done.

I sympathize on the blankets, about the only place that have ones that will fit is Schneiders, Big Fellas.

You might want to cross-post on the Driving forum as there may be more full draft owners over there that can help.

Good Luck!

Well, I stand corrected! I’d never looked it up but had always read “always add Vit E when feeding oil”, and never saw anything about there being Vit E in it in the context of feeding oil to horses .

LLee, I’m not sure what your last comment is supposed to mean. I’m not anti-oil. I’m only anti-oil in the beginning, for cases like this, unless it’s shown to be necessary, which isn’t the case most of the time. I’m anti-oil in ALL cases of trying to put weight on when things haven’t been given “just right” for long enough - good enough hay, adding alfalfa, good hard feed, etc - because I don’t feel it’s necessary or even good for most horses, again, unless a good reason has been established. If you’ve had that reason, that’s great. I simply think too many people jump to oil in an effort to put weight on quickly, and fast weight gain is not always in a body’s best interest.

I will say that if I need to use oil again, it will never be corn oil. It’s way high in Omega 6, which horses just don’t need more of, and there is some evidence that it can cause some problems.
http://www.ker.com/library/PopularPress/Feedstuffs/Feedstuffs-08-03-31.pdf

[QUOTE=LLee;7871233]
Hey, RH20, I had not heard of flaxseed oil for horses, [/QUOTE]
Cold-pressed flax oil has the highest amount of Omega 3, but it’s also the most $$ :frowning: It’s just not economical for most people, unfortunately.

LLee and JB: The micronized linseed (flax) I use is in meal form. It comes in 20kg (44 lb) sacks. I buy it from a mill. It is very highly regarded in “horsey” circles here, despite the fact that I found out about it on a forum. It’s not normally carried in feed stores (which is why I order it from the processor).

Some people still boil up linseed to feed to their horses. It’s a very messy, gloopy process which I was never inclined to do to my cooker or kitchen.

I give my Shires half a cup of micronized linseed in their very small, high fiber, low carb meals in winter, along with ad lib hay.

I have trouble understanding the amount of grain people feed their horses. Granted, if a horse is in heavy work, perhaps it is justified. But, there are so very many horses in light work that the quantity of grain offered can’t possibly be in the best interest of the animals’ digestive systems. Long fiber, forage, more long fiber is what they should be consuming.

[QUOTE=RutlandH2O;7871482]

I have trouble understanding the amount of grain people feed their horses. Granted, if a horse is in heavy work, perhaps it is justified. But, there are so very many horses in light work that the quantity of grain offered can’t possibly be in the best interest of the animals’ digestive systems. Long fiber, forage, more long fiber is what they should be consuming.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

But, to be fair, sometimes people just cannot get the quality hay their horses deserve - either it’s simply too $$, or the logistics of getting it aren’t feasible. So many people board places where there isn’t a lot of hay storage available, or space even, so they can’t even split a truckload of good hay with someone else. So, when they hay quality is lacking, concentrates usually have to increase.

I do know micronized linseed/flax :slight_smile: It’s not common where I am, at least I never hear anyone around me talking about it. I just feed whole flax. Many others feed either whole or ground.

[QUOTE=LLee;7871233]
Hey, RH20, ![]( had not heard of flaxseed oil for horses, but it does make a dandy salad dressing… the only time I have used “Linseed Oil” was on furniture. Never heard of Micronized Linseed.

I used spray-on Frontline and they hated it, because it stung their poor feet. One had a really bad case of mites, and the other sowed no signs but I had to treat both. Then I got a recipe for powdered Agricultural food grade Sulfur and castor oil (mixed to a paste, wear rubber gloves, slather it on p to the knees, highly flammable, all that stuff) and the mites went by-by and did not come back. It did, however, result in a stinky :dead: barn for a few days… One treatment lasted about a month, and it bleached out the stains in their feathers. Once gone, the mites didn’t come back but I also did a treatment every three months after that… Have you got a better solution for mites?

Is it true that you Brits actually put baby powder on your draft horses feathers for shows?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I forgot to answer your question about feather mites.

I’ve had Shires and a Clyde for almost 20 years. I, also, had the support of quite a few old-time Shire men, and, luckily, a few more contemporary horse owners/breeders/exhibitors. Coupled with that, I am a voracious reader of reference works specific to my interests.

For years I have been encouraged to apply sulphur and oil to my horses’ feather to keep them mite-free. For years I’ve been disappointed in the results.

My herd is winter-housed in a massive pole barn. [IMG]http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/RutlandH2O/DSC_1541_zps6103afdb.jpg)It is 45’ x 90’ split into 3 sections of 30’ x 45’ each. The apex of the roof is approximately 18’ - 20’ high. The floor of the barn is extremely compacted earth (for over 60 years before we adapted it for the horses, it held the previous farmer’s hay and straw, and the occasional tractor). We’ve added 6’ long wooden Yorkshire slats to the eaves, a 4’ high perimeter wall around 2/3 of the building (it has tons of ventilation), with 15’ wide windbreak walls in each section to provide sheltered, bedded areas. The back wall of the building is wood-panelled to the roof, as are 15’ of the short sides of the perimeter wall. We have 4’ x 8’ polycarbonate windows in the solid walls for optimum light.

I’m giving you all this information for a reason. For years I fed the horses their hay in huge haynets. The hay would accumulate on the floor under the nets, and several of my guys would sleep on it. Early on, I bedded the horses on wheat straw. I had ongoing mite problems for YEARS. I used every concoction, oils, creams, ointments, salves, to no avail. Then, 5 years ago, I decided to switch the bedding to 1" cardboard squares. I found the straw too voluminous for our muck trailer. I, also, thought the straw could harbor mites. I stopped using haynets and purchased 5’ diameter ring feeders, ostensibly to encourage the dropped hay to fall in the feeders, not the floor. I was ascribing the hay with harboring mites, as well.

The horses were receiving biannual courses of injections of Dectomax to control the mites. They would experience about 5 weeks of relief before the stamping, rubbing, and bleeding ensued. I told my vet I was convinced the Dectomax was making the horses more sensitized to the mites as the drug wore off.

This past year was the worst. We started bathing their legs with an anti-microbial shampoo while they were out for the summer. There was an initial positive result. Within a couple of weeks we were back to square one.

I started thinking outside the box. We have 5 laying hens. One of the products I always use in the girls’ house is Food-Grade Diatomaceous Earth to control mites. It is a substance that is mined in oceans and lakes. It is the skeletal remains of billions upon billions of prehistoric diatoms, which are microscopic, mostly single-celled, marine phytoplankton containing silica cell walls. When the substance is mined, it is then pulverized into the finest, smoothest powder. A microscope reveals the sharp angles of the diatom skeletons. When a mite, spider, flea, etc. walks through the powder, their exoskeletons are pierced and the DE, being an excellent desiccant, causes them to dry out and die. The whole process is mechanical, NOT chemical.

An equine dermatologist had been contacted when the situation became acute. She wanted me to use a sulphur shampoo that would have permanently stained the horses’ feather. When I told her I had used sulphur in the past to no avail, I suggested to her the idea of using DE. She agreed it was worth a try.

So, I ordered five 50lb sacks of FOOD GRADE (I can’t emphasize that enough) DE. The horses were out for the summer. I took apart the pole barn: removed all bedding, hay, water troughs. I vacuumed every bit of floor, every nook and cranny, the walls, most of the beams I could reach with an extended hose, joists, gates, even some panelling. Then, suitably masked and gloved, my handyman and I spread two 50lb sacks of DE over every floor surface and corner of the barn. I knew the horses wouldn’t be coming in for quite some time, so we left it to settle. I completely covered the floors of the horses’ field shelters with DE, as well.

Then, I filled half a dozen, large ketchup squeeze-bottles with DE and, having shampooed the horses’ feather a few days before, puffered the DE into their feather daily for a week (that’s 16 legs!) I followed up with the application every other day, and then, once every 5 days.

The horses are now in because the ground outside is beyond sodden. I puffer DE lightly around the two ring feeders after removing any loose hay on the floor. One of my mares had one tiny itchy wound, which I nipped in the bud with triple antibiotic ointment (my DH brings back 10 tubes when he has a business trip to the States…it’s not available here).

In another thread I related our recent cull of over 48 feral pigeons in the barn, which the dermatologist recommended above everything else.

I still apply DE to the horses’ feather every week. I will keep you posted as to its efficacy throughout this winter. Fingers crossed! Hope this helps.

Re: talcum powder on draft feather. Most, if not all, exhibitors of feathered horses use wood flour (yes, ever-so-finely ground soft wood) to dry the hair after the horses are shampooed. The flour is off-white in color and is packed into the hair. As it dries, it falls out. Some, but by far not all, exhibitors use white talc on the feather when it is dry. However, the horses should not be producing clouds of white powder as they walk or trot in the ring.

Years ago when I looked into buying food grade DE in the US to use for my horse I looked everywhere locally for it, without success. Someone I met on the Internet who lived on the other side of the country used it for her chickens, and said it was cheap–just pennies per pound.

I finally found it online but could only purchase it in fifty pound bags, which didn’t bother me until I heard the price. It was $50.00 per bag!!! :eek: That wasn’t with shipping charges either! If I recollect aright shipping would have been another $50.00! So, I abandoned that effort quickly…

The problem with DE in the US is logistics–in my case the DE was mined out West and shipped to the East Coast to a middle man in the Carolinas (who needed his cut), and shipping had to be paid for a second time to get it to me. :frowning:

I see that the local TSC carries small containers of DE for use with chickens, goats and sheep but don’t know how much it would be per pound.

RH20, can’t thank you enough for your detailed feather care regimen. You really have your hands full with those big guys in one barn for the winter…health issues are always an emergency even if it’s just a scratch, as left unattended everything spreads like wildfire.

Yes I am familiar with DE as we added it to our goat food to help control internal parasites (it does work!) and also dusted the chicken coop, and added some to their favorite dirt bath holes. Since I don’t have goats or chickens anymore (REALLY miss them), I hadn’t even thought of DE for parasite problems. I have several 50 pound bags in the shed, we use it also in the garden for tomato worms and other types of bugs/beetles/larva, etc… Have to re-dust every time it rains. But no chemicals!

So, I’m thinking that DE just might work out well in the feathers, along with some ointment for the sores. The mite case I was dealing with was really awful, long time not treated and feet were raw and very swollen, it was so pathetic. And I think you’re right about the hay harboring the mites. Dusting with DE is easier than rubbing in stinky sulfur goop all the way up to their knees. Let me know how it works out.

As to your pics (nice barn!) do you have a Poitou??? Wow, always wanted to see one up close…such a rare breed and very few in US.

Hey Cherry!

“I see that the local TSC carries small containers of DE for use with chickens, goats and sheep but don’t know how much it would be per pound.”

I get my 50#DE and 50#Food Grade Sulfur at the feed co-op. It’s a 3 hour round trip, but very worth it. Less than on the internet and no shipping charge. I am ready to order a 15# bag of dried red raspberry leaves on the internet at a third of the cost of tractor supply, even with shipping. Just found a great netting supply company online so I’m measuring my round bales and will order netting, plus the cord, after Thanksgiving Holiday. Can save at least 50% by making my own hay nets. I switched to round bales this year and the waste is awful without nets.
PS: I have found that Canadian farmers are really good at saving $$$ and being very innovative about solving problems. I have 2 old satellite dishes (the huge white ones) which I got for free, and will be putting them up in the pasture to shelter my round bales. Idea from Canadian llama breeder. Who knew?

Cherry: I can appreciate the problem you are having sourcing DE for a decent price. There used to be a “chicken man” in the next village. His wasn’t a big operation, mostly sold layers to people like me. He was, also, a breeder/exhibitor of purebred poultry. He stocked DE in 50lb sacks and the price was something like £45 each, so it was easy for me to purchase and load it into my car. 50lbs of DE normally lasts forever! I included a photo of my pole barn to illustrate the amount of space I had to cover (one third of the barn isn’t even visible).

The “chicken man” retired last year, which necessitated my sourcing DE elsewhere. I Googled DE and found a seller quite a distance north of us. The shipping was a revelation! The chap who sold it to me was lovely. He could only get 2 of the 5 sacks to me ASAP. He told me not to pay until the remaining 3 were delivered. He said “people who buy DE tend to be honorable!” He charged me one price for all 5 sacks, which was about £55.00. Yes, lots of money, but still much less expensive than the vet bills!

Do you think you could source DE from poultry units not too far from your place? Instead of looking for DE, search for poultry farms and see if they would sell you bags you could collect yourself. Good luck!

[QUOTE=JB;7870913]
Mineral oil is not digestible. Cooking/plant oils ARE digestible. This makes them very different, and that is why they are not interchangeable. MO for a colic horse IS to coat things and help slide them along, because it isn’t digestible. Canola/corn/olive/flax/whatever oil is digestible, and while it might have a little effect of moving things along a little (little!) faster when fed in larger quantities, it is not remotely along the same lines as mineral oil.


Cool Calories is usually a waste, at least economically. The feeding rate is 2-4oz/day, max 3-8oz. 8oz is 1 cup, which is really about where benefits start if you’re having to feed fat. 2oz? Hardly anything.

For horses with EPSM issues (which is not known in the OP case), while some of those solid fats might work, sometimes they do not, as rice bran is only about 40% fat, which means you’re bringing a good amount of carbs in with it, which doesn’t work for some of those horses.

No, horses don’t have a gall bladder, but that doesn’t mean they can’t digest fat/oil. The liver produces bile which injects into the small intestine where it starts breaking down the fat in order to be more properly digested, instead of going through the gall bladder, and from there it’s just like us. It’s just a less efficient/slower process.

It takes them several weeks to “figure out” how to digest increased intake of fat, whether that’s from solids or oils, doesn’t matter.

2-3 cups of oil, much less 4-5, is a HUGE amount and should only be done if the horse has serious EPSM issues (and is huge), NOT in order to stuff calories into him. The current recommendations for EPSM horses is about 1lb of fat per 1000lb. Oil is about 1lb/2c, so the 1500lb seriously EPSM horse could be getting 3c. NOT the underweight horse. NOT the horse without EPSM. That’s really not the healthy way to go, as that much fat (regardless of being liquid or solid) does interfere a little bit with nutrient absorption.

So no, I would not be adding fat to this horse’s diet, not yet. He needs more hay/alfalfa, and he needs lots of a good low sugar easily digestible hard feed.[/QUOTE]

Bolded mine.

I have to argue with this point. I started my guy on 4oz twice a day and had to cut down to 2oz twice a day. Pretty quick we were on 2oz once a day because he was going to get fat (and he was a little porky even with that). This wasn’t to bring him back, this was just to keep weight on his little TB frame. 2oz a day can definitely be effective.

LLee: ![](y horses are kept under cover in the pole barn in the worst of the winter weather. My two retired broodmares share two sections of the barn (there are 10’ gates which open if I want to make a section twice as large). Their sons, my two 5 year old geldings, share one section of the barn. They can play, trot about, stretch their legs when they are feeling frisky. I don’t allow them to occupy 2 sections because they get a bit too exuberant. They are both over 18hh and I don’t want them to injure themselves. They are, also, major termites! You can see evidence of their chewing in the photo above. They’ve been doing it since they were 6 weeks old. Neither mare has ever chewed wood, nor any other of my horses. They do it inside and out in the fields, if they have access to a tree.

I found that two of my horses were/are very sensitive to sulphur. It wasn’t worth the mess and cracked skin to use it.

When you mention that the horse you were dealing with had swollen legs, had he been tested for Chronic Progressive Lymphedema? A very useful site, with loads of information, is harlequinfarmsgypsyhorses.com/ChronicProgressive/Lymphedema.

Yes, I own two Poitou donkeys. They are both Livre A, meaning they are fully purebred. I obtained my now 7 year old jenny from France. My 2 1/2 year old jenny filly was acquired from a zoological park which has a herd of pure Poitous. Being female, she couldn’t be bred back to her sire, so she became available. It’s also a nice little money-maker for the park. We were delighted we could help the park and come away with a living stuffed toy!

This is the baby in the summer of 2013:[IMG]http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/RutlandH2O/DSC_0075_zps28fe3bd9.jpg)

This is the 7 year old in the summer of 2013, as well, quite lacking in coat:[IMG]http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/RutlandH2O/DSC_0055_zpsc1670df8.jpg)

This is the girls this past summer:[IMG]http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h426/RutlandH2O/DSC_0574_zps8b1abe6d.jpg)

[QUOTE=CaitlinandTheBay;7872284]
Bolded mine.

I have to argue with this point. I started my guy on 4oz twice a day and had to cut down to 2oz twice a day. Pretty quick we were on 2oz once a day because he was going to get fat (and he was a little porky even with that). This wasn’t to bring him back, this was just to keep weight on his little TB frame. 2oz a day can definitely be effective.[/QUOTE]

Gosh, I really have to step back and chuckle a bit when folks are talking about tiny amounts of this or that additive and weighing flakes of hay …‘cause I’m talkin’ about 1700+ pound DRAFTS and they are real big eaters, even when retired, compared to a healthy TB or QH or whatever of less than 1000 pounds. One cup of oil for a starved EPSM draft is like giving three French Fries to a teenager…:eek:

I dearly love heavy horses. They are so magnificent, and often so easy-going (unless mistreated or hormonal), but feeding them, farrier, worming meds, proper housing all is MEGA compared to the average horse. Some farriers will not do drafts, because they (feet, shoes) are so heavy. And stocks are no fun for anybody. Oh, and they make mega poop, too. (the drafts, not the farriers)

I have two adorable mini horses who share the barn/pastures with my two (16H & 15H) drafts. They all get along great, the biggest challenge is not letting the minis get fat while making sure the big guys get enough to eat. When we get our 2 mini donkeys neutered in the spring, we’ll move all the little guys into a barn/pasture of their own.

I could care for a herd of 10 minis for what it costs to take care of ONE 2000 pound draft.

RH20: Gosh what cuties your Poitou’s are! I thought P’s are tall, about 16 hands or so, but possibly they are smaller? Or do they come in sizes? Must admit, they aren’t quite as cute in summer when shedding :winkgrin: How often do you get somebody who doesn’t know the breed asking if they have Cushings?

Yes I had seen this site (Gypsy Vanner) a while back, sorry I forgot to let you know my horses were tested for sulfur allergy and thankfully, they tolerated it very well. It’s true, the mites and laminitis stuff is not talked about unless you are an owner who is fighting the problem and searching for other owners who may have better solutions. The Fipronol (in Frontline Spray for dogs) kills the mites and will last at least a month or more, BUT it costs a FORTUNE!!! I used it for a short time but it hurt their feet (I think it was the alcohol carrier in the spray) and they wouldn’t stand still for spraying. A bit dangerous, to say the least. They loved loved loved the oil leg massages. My back did not. :no:

My Vet recommended continuing sulfur rubs, and occasionally a soaking with anti-fungus treatment which is same thing I use in event of rain rot on my herd in a really wet year. I did get a good handle on the swelling, it went down to almost nothing and feathers grew back beautifully, but had to treat continually or the problem came back. :cry: Sometimes dealing with rescues means rescuing them every day from the same problem they presented when they arrived. But we loved them, and we miss them very much. They were like puppy dogs, really big puppy dogs, followed us around and made getting anything done a bit hard unless we put them in their stalls while we worked.

Our llamas used to chew on wood posts and trees. In order to save the dogwoods and certain fence posts, we painted them with a mix of water and llama poop. :stuck_out_tongue: They never, ever chewed a pooped tree or post. Painted once in fall and again in late spring. Got that little hint from a Canadian farmer. Works on goats too. I never tried it on horses…

[QUOTE=One Two Three;7869988]
Recently acquired to the farm was a malnourished Clydesdale that at one time in his life was boarded at this farm. He’s ours now and he needs help. He’s been “home” for about a month and a half. He’s eating nearly a bale of hay a day, 2 scoops of a fortified grain mixed with beet pulp and rice bran oil.

I keep telling the BO (and his technical new owner–he is to become my project) to give him a senior feed. He doesn’t seem to have made any progress aside from his skin condition improving (lots of itchy flaking skin has gone away thanks to the Mico-Tek shampoo line).

I don’t think he should be on the controlled starch grain. It might not be hurting him, but it isn’t helping him either, and tends to be lower in calories. He NEEDS calories right now. SENIOR SENIOR SENIOR.

What do you think?

THIS is what he looks like (when we went to pick him up) He actually looks worse than the picture lets on.

THIS is what the poor guy looked like two years ago. He was beautiful.[/QUOTE]

Bringing this back to the original issue…it is a mistake to try to pack pounds back on malnourished horses, you can create a colic episode. Good quality food in proper quantity will get the job done but it’s going to take a good 90 days to see any real improvement and more like 6 months to get him back. Most people have the best luck with alfalfa or alfalfa mix hay, divided into small amounts fed several times a day. Soaked cubes or pellets in you cannot get the hay. Not too much grain or concentrated feeds…and I like corn oil. But there is no Majikal potion that will speed up a healthy return to normal weight. Just time and regular feed at regular intervals.

But you also have to look at a regular worming program, get the dental work up to date and have a vet look at general overall health so you don’t end up wasting feed trying to feed up a sick horse who needs medical intervention before it can gain anything.

I am a little confused, do you own the horse or is he your “project” and owned by the barn owner who handles all the feed selection, delivery and determines how much how often? As well as schedule and pay for vet, dentist and farrier?

Makes a difference in advice you get.

LLee: Baudet du Poitou height is approximately 14h2". I know a 15h2" gelding and he is considered overly large and not ideal. You may be thinking of the American Mammoth Jack. They are commonly 15h to 16hh. The Poitou is traditionally ungroomed and carries a huge, matted coat. I groom my Poitous daily, which makes them appear to be smaller. Groomed or not, Poitous have enormous heads and extremely long ears. My younger donk could have longer ears.

findeight: I agree with you completely. Your description of the correct way to feed a malnourished horse is spot on! “Not too much grain or concentrated feeds” should be a mantra, and not just for malnourished horses.

Hey, RH20, I think I got the wrong size impression from a picture I saw with a mini donkey standing under the belly of a Poitou. My mini’s are too tall to stand under my 16H draft, so perhaps it was a much younger mini donkey in the pic, and a full grown P.

When I started feeding my skinny Belgians, they got 2 quarts of Senior, soaked, 3 x daily and 1 cup oil, and free choice hay. When they tolerated that well, then Senior feed and oil was increased gradually to the max amount. Alfalfa hay was very hard to find. The Belgian with marble teeth got soaked senior food with beet pulp added, 4 x daily, and he still spent a lot of time spitting out the free choice hay mostly into the water trough. I realize that every horse is different in what foods they can tolerate to return to good health. I had excellent results, but not everyone would get same results. However, I had very good advice from my vet and I would not recommend any feeding program start on a starved horse without a vet exam FIRST.

We can all backyard vet the poor starved Clyde on this forum, but bottom line is: that horse’s recovery needs to be supervised by a Vet.

[QUOTE=CaitlinandTheBay;7872284]
Bolded mine.

I have to argue with this point. I started my guy on 4oz twice a day and had to cut down to 2oz twice a day. Pretty quick we were on 2oz once a day because he was going to get fat (and he was a little porky even with that). This wasn’t to bring him back, this was just to keep weight on his little TB frame. 2oz a day can definitely be effective.[/QUOTE]

That is why I said usually, as opposed to always.

Sometimes half a cup of oil is all it takes for some horses to pack on the pounds. Sometimes it only takes 3c of beet pulp to get a horse over some hump. Despite those 2 things being fairly negligible in terms of calories or total fat % of the diet, and despite those amounts usually being a waste in the grand scheme of things, sometimes that’s all it takes for a given horse :slight_smile: