Can you provide documentation that glyphosate was ever tested or prescribed as an antibiotic (or as the semantic Monsanto writeup, antimicrobial)??
Can you provide, other than the one “study”, any documentation that glyphosate is being used as an untested antibiotic??
All I can find for FDA testing relates to glyphosate residue and not as an ‘antibiotic’ as you claim.
Could you not find some article, research or otherwise, that’s not from tin foil hat-wearing anti-GMO, anti-glyphosate wackos?
It just cracks me up when people try to say that because product A is used for blank it must be bad as blank is industrial.
Water is used in production of gasoline! OMG water is BAD.
I’m quite surprised what I found in less than 10 minutes searching google scholar, science direct and PubMed. The general gist seems to be that glyphosate may disrupt the microbiome of various animals and microflora of soil while also possibly contributing to antibiotic resistance.
Glyphosate and antibiotic resistance
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C20&q=glyphosate+antibiotic&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DMHSoi6dMDRsJ
Glyphosate and microbiota
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=20&q=glyphosate+antibiotic&hl=en&as_sdt=0,20#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3D3qNTfiPgj5MJ
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C20&q=glyphosate+antibiotic&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DlQA1AbouIOAJ
glyphosate and soil microflora
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=glyphosate+antibiotic&hl=en&as_sdt=0,20#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DF5CdRgVSt58J
general search for glyphosate and microbiome
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C20&q=glyphosate+microbiome&oq=glyphosate+micr
https://www.sciencedirect.com/search/advanced?qs=glyphosate%20microbiome&origin=home&zone=qSearch
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/?term=glyphosate+microbiome
Note the bolded terms. MAYBE it does something, and if it does, then MAYBE it contributes to something else. So both MAYBEs need to be true, and they have not been able to establish the connection. Even if both MAYBEs are true, then how big is the “contribution” to antibiotic resistance? Is it significant?
This is exactly the kind of thing I was whining about earlier. Anybody can go to Google, enter a couple of key words, find a list of publications, and then share them on the forum, proclaiming that they have uncovered proof of their claim. Probably less than 20 minutes from beginning to end.
It would take me several days to look all those papers up, read them, review the methods, check at least a few of the references for validity, conduct a tentative assessment, gather and review supporting references, and then write a brief explanation of my conclusions regarding the validity of the publications’ claims and provide supporting citations.
(And who’s got time for that? I’ve got a real job.)
And then, once I share that information, someone comes along and says, “Well, yeah, but all those people work for Monsanto, or got money from Monsanto, or once bought a bottle of Roundup, or have a brother-in-law whose second cousin worked for Monsanto one summer when he was in college, so they they can’t be trusted.”
The same pattern repeats over and over again with many different science and health issues. Anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, anti-pesticide, it’s all the same.
I quoted ABDR4 and replied and got another %^&* “unapproved post”.
So, here is just my response:
This is exactly the kind of thing I’ve been whining about. It takes all of 10-15 minutes for someone go to Google, enter a couple of key words, find a bunch of articles, post links, and then shout, “AHA! See? Here’s proof.”
It would take me several days to look up all those papers, read them, review the methodology, results, and conclusions, check the validity of some of the references, conduct a preliminary assessment, identify and review supporting materials, reach a conclusion as to the validity of the papers’ claims, and write a brief summary of my findings, citing relevant supporting documents.
Then, after I’ve done all that, someone will reply with, “Well, yeah, but those guys work for Monsanto or once took research money from Monsanto, or once bought a bottle of Roundup, or have a brother-in-law whose second cousin once worked for Monsanto one summer when he was in college, so you can’t trust anything any of those people say.”
It’s the same pattern you see with many science and health issues. Anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, anti-pesticide…it’s all the same.
OK I have personal experience with glyphosate consumed by horses. I had a bunch of buttercups and various other broad leaved weeds coming up along a fence line. So I went out and bought some extra strength Round-up to kill them off before they took over and shorted out the electric fence. All was well until I looked out several days later at the dying weeds coated with Round-up that the horses were now eating like they were prime alfalfa.
I managed to chase the horses off their new found treats and got most of the plants pulled up and out of the pasture. No horses died from the consumption. No horses got sick from the consumption. Everybody is fine months later. I won’t do that again but apparently the stuff is less harmful than I thought it was.
What happens when you kill weeds with Roundup but don’t reseed with grass seed is that more weeds come up. I either use the 3 month preventative herbicide or use something different that will kill a specific weed (buttercup) but not everything. Many weeds are palatable and actually have some nutritional value to horses. Horses will choose what they eat, so if my pasture gets to the point that they are grazing weeds under the fenceline, I will throw hay to them or stick a round bale out there. Of course, this time of year, they will attack hay as if they are starving, eat 1/3 of it, and then make a big mess with the rest.
It is also sometimes the case that certain plants, while unpalatable when fresh, become tastier when dried.
Yikes, which of the tastier ones will cause problems? How much do they need to consume?
I understand that dried buttercups for instance in hay lose the mild toxicity that they have fresh.
That said it seems common sense to keep horses out of a field freshly sprayed with herbicide.
Some have no grazing restrictions including Round Up.
Palm Beach, Actually no. Glyphosate has a 8 week restriction.
Restrictions on Grazing/Feeding/Haying of Crops Treated with …https://www.ag.ndsu.edu ”º weed-control-guides ”º wcg-files ”º 16-Haying
Palm Beach. Glyphosate has a 8 week grazing restriction.
FWIW, it depends on how glyphosate is being used if the restriction is 8 weeks or something less than 8 weeks.
Read the label…
https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/091543-00001-20160621.pdf
NB, the word ‘grazing’ appears in this Notice of Pesticide by the EPA 18 times. Sometimes the restriction on grazing is 7 days, sometimes 14 days, sometimes 8 weeks depending on the field crop/plant being treated and if the treatment is the entire field or spot treatment. The label is there for a reason…
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Government department restrictions have a bolded phrase that explains theirs are “recommendations” and that the ultimate word is product’s label’s:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE…eprd496997.pdf
In the case of Roundup, grazing restrictions are so the herbicide has time to work properly by translocating to the root to kill the plant.
From the Roundup FAQs:
—“To ensure proper weed control and forage removal, Monsanto recommends grazingnot resume for 3 to 5 days after spraying. Grazing is safe for the animals as soon as the herbicide has dried. FAQ | Roundup
www.roundup.ca ”º faq”—
That ^ means, don’t spray a weed and then pull it out of the ground.
Thanks for the clarification @Bluey
I have a hard time getting on the anti-glyphosate band-wagon (same as me having a hard time getting on the ‘all pharmaceuticals are bad’ band-wagon) 
I believe each has their place, read the labels, know the precautions, restrictions, risks and choose accordingly.
And yes, sometimes why glyphosate is combined with other herbicides in the urban market as people want to see the weeds now ‘now’ and with glyphosate, they don’t die ‘now’ they die in a few days as the herbicide gets down to the roots and taken up by the plant
Just to clarify… Glyphosate must be sprayed directly on the plant. It is absorbed through the foliage and travels throughout the plant inside the plant. Glyphosate is not absorbed through the roots because when it comes into contact with the soil, it adsorbs (sticks) to the soil. That’s one of the qualities that makes glyphosate so environmentally friendly. It doesn’t leach down through the soil to contaminate groundwater or be carried off-site via subsurface flow.
The reason it takes a while to kill the plant is because glyphosate’s mode of action is to block the synthesis of some essential amino acids, which isn’t something that’s instantly lethal. (And another quality that makes glyphosate so environmentally friendly - animals don’t have that synthetic pathway.)
And any grazing restrictions for glyphosate are based on reasons other than toxicity concerns. As mentioned above, they may be to give glyphosate a chance to work. Other reasons might be to ensure that there are no resides in milk or meat.
No Such Person,
I am sure you meant to say Shikmate Pathway not synthetic. As I have said in the past. Animals do not use the Shikmate Pathway to process Amino acids. But, Bacteria, Yeast, Algae and Protazoa. All of which make up the Digestive system. Do use the Shikmate Pathway. This is why Glyphosate is harmful to the digestive system.
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