Good Guinness Missing

[LetsChat]

[QUOTE=War Admiral;3942500]
I choose to refrain from further speculation at this point, but how’s’about donotbotherme as COTH Poster of the Year??

applause[/QUOTE]

Based on the name and the fact that it was their one and only post I am thinking this person probably isn’t going to show up ever again. Touchy situation but good sluething. I feel bad for the kid riding the horse, they probably paid a pretty penny for a lease on a winning Junior Jumper and to be involved in this is just a mess. Especially after winning so much at Gulfport. It looks like the horse is healthy and sound and obviously doing well with the junior rider which honestly is the MOST important thing!!! :yes:

[half_seat]

I think we all need to RELAX. The horses look similar. Lots of horses look similar. It’s a good lead, yes, and the lead has been communicated. Let Patrick, GG’s owner, and the authorities take it from here… and I think we all need to stop jumping to the conclusion that this is DEFINITELY GG. I’m sure that will be sorted out with time.

[LetsChat]

If you go back to the results posted it looks like the horse is being LEASED out by McClain and not showing with him as the trainer but from another barn… Contact them and maybe they know where he is. I highly doubt the leaser’s (people leasing and paying the bills) have any idea they are being duped or are involved in this. They probably think they are just leasing a great horse from an Olympic gold winner. Really that is the shame, that those people may have to return a horse. Shady business…

[CoolMeadows]

Kanye IS Good Guinness according to Patrick. Anyone showing in Tampa now? The shipper may have been confused, but he has made some interesting statements that will come out once GG is home and safe.

[JustJump]

[QUOTE=ComeAbout;3942490]
Notify Mclain Ward?! Are you CRAZY?! Time is of the essence here. A trapped animal is a dangerous animal… “Kanye’s” very existence relies on swift and immediate action by the proper authorities. This isn’t a just a little game of cat and mouse. The players in this scenario are not newbies. Since Patrick has indeed been informed, lets everyone just wait and hope that it’s not too late already![/QUOTE]

What on earth are you drinking?

The horse is RECORDED under McLain’s name, LEASED to a junior, who is paying full training board on it, and it’s WINNING.

I don’t think McLain is about to jeopardize his prospects by vanishing Kanye. What would he have to gain?

I have yet to hear a scenario offered that would explain how this could possibly have been a purposeful switch? Where’s the benefit to the criminals?

Glad it looks like the horse is found. I hope the other one is doing well now that it’s not expected to jump the big fences!

[War_Admiral]

[QUOTE=LetsChat;3942533]
Based on the name and the fact that it was their one and only post I am thinking this person probably isn’t going to show up ever again.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I agree, and trust me, I also totally understand why. Whoever s/he is, posting that, even under an alter, took real, real, REAL guts. I’m just saying I don’t think that fact should be overlooked.

[half_seat]

[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;3942548]
Kanye IS Good Guinness according to Patrick. [/QUOTE]

Thanks. Hadn’t seen that posted yet… I hope Patrick is able to get him back safe and sound.

From a link posted earlier, it looks like Kanye is with a rider out of Resolution farm – www.resolutionfarm.com – I’m sure someone at the barn would know where he is now.

[vxf111]

If the Resolution Farm website is correct, Mclain has owned the Kanye horse for some time and leased it to Resolution. Then I assume it went back to him when the lease was up. Mclain didn’t notice that his horse looks entirely different when he got it back? I can believe that someone taking a horse to sell might not know it’s mannerisms/markings-- but Mclain didn’t recognize that his horse looked different?

Where was Good Guiness coming from anyway? From Patrick’s in California. Resolution is in NJ, so is Frank Madden (NYC suburbs, right?). The Wards are somewhere in New England. I am missing why a stop was made in New England on a horse going from California to NJ/NY. This is assuming that the horse didn’t go from a show or to a show, but assuming it went from barn to barn-- why would you stop in New England between Cali and NJ/NY?

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=JustJump;3942554]
I have yet to hear a scenario offered that would explain how this could possibly have been a purposeful switch? Where’s the benefit to the criminals? [/QUOTE]

Free trade up of a winning junior jumper for a winning GP horse?

[eqrider1234]

[QUOTE=War Admiral;3942555]
Oh, I agree, and trust me, I also totally understand why. Whoever s/he is, posting that, even under an alter, took real, real, REAL guts. I’m just saying I don’t think that fact should be overlooked.[/QUOTE]

wait what did they say? and that is good guiness, the resemblence is uncanny… i cant believe the names i was reading barney ward? that aint no coincidence… :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[caffeinated]

Brewster is in NY, not New England.

Either way, I’m not sure “Kanye” was at resolution, it just said the horse was leased to a rider from that farm (the same rider who rode him at Gulfport). And since the horse was shipped from CA six months ago, it all could have happened within that time frame (even if it was just a mixup)

[joiedevie99]

[QUOTE=vxf111;3942560]

Where was Good Guiness coming from anyway? From Patrick’s in California. Resolution is in NJ, so is Frank Madden (NYC suburbs, right?). The Wards are somewhere in New England. I am missing why a stop was made in New England on a horse going from California to NJ/NY. This is assuming that the horse didn’t go from a show or to a show, but assuming it went from barn to barn-- why would you stop in New England between Cali and NJ/NY?[/QUOTE]

The Wards are in NY as well.

[S_A_McKee]

[QUOTE=vxf111;3942560]
?

Resolution is in NJ, so is Frank Madden (NYC suburbs, right?). The Wards are somewhere in New England. I am missing why a stop was made in New England on a horse going from California to NJ/NY. This is assuming that the horse didn’t go from a show or to a show, but assuming it went from barn to barn-- why would you stop in New England between Cali and NJ/NY?[/QUOTE]

Frank Madden is at Hunters Moon on Long Island. Not NJ.
Wards are in Brewster NY

[vxf111]

Okay, I couldn’t remember where the Wards were. If they’re in NY, then it makes the explanation of the stopover more reasonable. I think I got Barney confused with Paul V. One of them is in New England, it must be Paul.

[LetsChat]

[QUOTE=vxf111;3942560]
If the Resolution Farm website is correct, Mclain has owned the Kanye horse for some time and leased it to Resolution. Then I assume it went back to him when the lease was up. Mclain didn’t notice that his horse looks entirely different when he got it back? I can believe that someone taking a horse to sell might not know it’s mannerisms/markings-- but Mclain didn’t recognize that his horse looked different?

Where was Good Guiness coming from anyway? From Patrick’s in California. Resolution is in NJ, so is Frank Madden (NYC suburbs, right?). The Wards are somewhere in New England. I am missing why a stop was made in New England on a horse going from California to NJ/NY. This is assuming that the horse didn’t go from a show or to a show, but assuming it went from barn to barn-- why would you stop in New England between Cali and NJ/NY?[/QUOTE]

If McClain has owned the horse for some time how come the USEF only shows a record for the horse as of 11/08. McClain never showed this prize Junior / A/O - GP horse or never leased it before. I am sure that is what Resolution farm was told, why would he say, oh I got this horse on a shady deal but pay me for the lease. Has no other show record, too fishy!

[half_seat]

@vxf111;3942560

If the Resolution Farm website is correct, Mclain has owned the Kanye horse for some time and leased it to Resolution. Then I assume it went back to him when the lease was up. Mclain didn’t notice that his horse looks entirely different when he got it back? I can believe that someone taking a horse to sell might not know it’s mannerisms/markings-- but Mclain didn’t recognize that his horse looked different?

Curious where it says that on the Resolution farm web site. I can’t find that the horse was owned by MW for some time and then returned… The horse showed as recently as February 4th with a rider listed on the Resolution Farm web site…

[War_Admiral]

[QUOTE=donotbotherme;3942187]
A horse fitting the description named Kayne is winning in the Junior/A/O jumpers at Gulfport. Owned by McClain Ward, ridden by a different junior find pictures, looks exactly like the horse… No previous show record before 11/08… If it is the horse, the horse is safe and well cared for…[/QUOTE]

FBO EqRider: donotbotherme is the one who initially posted the POSSIBLE connection of dots…

[vxf111]

[QUOTE=LetsChat;3942583]
If McClain has owned the horse for some time how come the USEF only shows a record for the horse as of 11/08. McClain never showed this prize Junior / A/O - GP horse or never leased it before. I am sure that is what Resolution farm was told, why would he say, oh I got this horse on a shady deal but pay me for the lease. Has no other show record, too fishy![/QUOTE]

Oh sorry…

I probably wasn’t clear.

All I was trying to say is that Mclain must have had the horse some time PRIOR to the mixup. It wasn’t like it was sent to him from Kalamazoo and he (like Frank Madden) had a horse come off the trailer that he never saw before.

Sometime prior (we don’t know when) to the purported switch-- “Kanye” was at Resolution. Resolution says “thanks for leasing us this horse, Mclain.”

All I am saying is that it indicates Mclain owned the Kanye horse some time prior to the switch, if that’s what happened. Resolution clearly don’t have him now or else why did they post “thanks for sending us this horse” and list him under sold horse. Maybe I am misinterpreting that?

I might not scrutinize the coggins on a horse I’ve never seen before, to see if the markings match-- but I sure as heck can tell you whether horses I OWN have a faded/roany star or a small filled star.

[80s_rider]

Did McClain think his horses TEETH grew back? Someone must have noticed that!

[half_seat]

[QUOTE=vxf111;3942595]
Oh sorry…

I probably wasn’t clear.

All I was trying to say is that Mclain must have had the horse some time PRIOR to the mixup. It wasn’t like it was sent to him from Kalamazoo and he (like Frank Madden) had a horse come off the trailer that he never saw before.

Sometime prior (we don’t know when) to the purported switch-- “Kanye” was at Resolution. Resolution says “thanks for leasing us this horse, Mclain.”

All I am saying is that it indicates Mclain owned the Kanye horse some time prior to the switch, if that’s what happened. Resolution clearly don’t have him now or else why did they post “thanks for sending us this horse” and list him under sold horse. Maybe I am misinterpreting that?

I might not scrutinize the coggins on a horse I’ve never seen before, to see if the markings match-- but I sure as heck can tell you whether horses I OWN have a faded/roany star or a small filled star.[/QUOTE]

I interpret that section of the “Horses Sold” to mean that the horse was leased TO the rider at Resolution Farm by McClain Ward. That’s all, not that the lease was up. The horse is still showing with that rider. Their results are listed on the Resolution Farm web site. I don’t think that post in the horses sold section means that the lease is up or the horse is no longer at that farm.

I think the web site indicates that Resolution Farm clearly has the horse now - at least as of last month. The horse is competing with the same rider that’s listed on their web site. The web site even lists their results.