grass glands

[eclipse]

That picture is nothing like the grass mumps my gelding gets…and as my guy has also had severe ulcers (glandular and non glandular AND pyloric ulcers) you really need a better vet! Sure sounds like strangles to me, grass mumps is a reaction and generally a change in grazing makes it go away! Ulcerprone horses have to “graze” constantly thus my guy is on a hay net and thrown hay in his paddock when outside as he cannot be in our field! Management is carefully monitored and is not easy but can be done, but you really need a vet that is competent in equine internal medicine.

Ive never heard of aspirine for ulcers? Generally here it’s ulcergard and if needed something like sulfracate (for the hind gut). My gelding had monthly scopes for about 1.5 years along with many other meds ie, metroziozole (sp) until we got him at a healthy enough weight to go for a last ditch treatment of heavy Sulfa antibiotics, which finally got the pyloric region cleared enough I am able to maintain him on a lifelong daily omeprazole program, but he’s a “special” case! You can find my posts about him by searching. If your horse has such severe ulcers and something like strangles, she’s sick very sick, seriously get her to a good vet hospital!

edited to add…what is your horse eating in the picture? You said your horse has had a number of colics recently. If there is severe ulcers and possibly ulcers around the pyloric area the stomach will not empty and thus colic will occur. The amount of reflux they got out of my guy was astonishing and we were lucky his stomach did not rupture. Yours looks like she’s not simply grazing on a grass field but eating some kind of feed which also could be causing the ulcers to flare. Has an equine vet or nutritionist that also specializes in feeding an ulcer prone horse advised you on diet?

[trubandloki]

@eclipse

Ive never heard of aspirine for ulcers?

I read it differently. That the aspirin was for something else, but given at the same time as the ulcer treatment.

@sara78

he put her on aspirine for 2 weeks because thinks that circulation problem but her legs even if in the stall for hours will never get swollen but the thing is that she is on gastrogard because a lot of ulcers, really odd

[eclipse]

@trubandloki

I read it differently. That the aspirin was for something else, but given at the same time as the ulcer treatment.

hmmmm wondering if the “aspirin” means bute or something similar, which would just aggravate any ulcers!? Seems like a strange combination of treatment but due to the language barrier it could be something entirely different!

[sara78]

@eclipse

hmmmm wondering if the “aspirin” means bute or something similar, which would just aggravate any ulcers!? Seems like a strange combination of treatment but due to the language barrier it could be something entirely different!

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Yes it s bute it would be for the oedema of her head, anyway i ll try a new clinic because it has been two months of different treatments and the vet here at the end told me just to leave her in pasture for six months and then see how she is after but i think the horse need a treatment not only stay outside

[supershorty628]

I’m just wondering, has anyone scoped the mare’s guttural pouches? I didn’t see mention of that but I might have just missed it.

[allons-y]

Sending best wishes your way. Im sorry this has been so difficult for you and this horse. {{Hugs}}

[CHT]

I board a white mare that used to get swelling on her head that looked the same! It was soft (could leave a thumb print). It also came with a stiff neck, and eventually a stiff back and some body puffiness. She also colicked (mildly) multiple times, but didn’t have ulcers.

The horse in my case was seen by multiple vets: speculations included an allergy to bits and a blocked salivary gland (the cure for that is to feed carrots…horse loved that). We never did figure out what was wrong, so horse got three years off and they slowly got better. Meanwhile owner has lightly started her back but only uses a side pull. I speculate in hindsight it was stress related, as the fix seemed to be time off, and she starts to show early symptoms when stressed.

Good luck with your mare!

[sara78]

@CHT

I board a white mare that used to get swelling on her head that looked the same! It was soft (could leave a thumb print). It also came with a stiff neck, and eventually a stiff back and some body puffiness. She also colicked (mildly) multiple times, but didn’t have ulcers.

The horse in my case was seen by multiple vets: speculations included an allergy to bits and a blocked salivary gland (the cure for that is to feed carrots…horse loved that). We never did figure out what was wrong, so horse got three years off and they slowly got better. Meanwhile owner has lightly started her back but only uses a side pull. I speculate in hindsight it was stress related, as the fix seemed to be time off, and she starts to show early symptoms when stressed.

Good luck with your mare!

thank you, i hope to is not her case, now that she s in the field it is getting worst and she is less stressed than before so i do not think so, anyway i am going to the best clinic here and they are going to see her on monday, i hope they will find out

[sara78]

@allons-y

Sending best wishes your way. Im sorry this has been so difficult for you and this horse. {{Hugs}}

thank you very much i just can t stand seeing illness it is a bit hard

[sara78]

@S1969

Not sure where you live - which would probably help a lot.

My understanding of parotiditis is that it is not painful. But I have never experienced it. I believe it is thought to be an allergic reaction?

“Air in the guttural pouches”…?? I think that is typically a guttural pouch infection and needs treatment? Did your vet confirm one or the other? Have they actually examined your mare?

Personally I’d want to rule out strangles, guttural pouch disease, and any other reason for a “swollen jaw” like tooth abscess. If your horse is just dealing with environmental allergies I’d probably take it off pasture until they resolve.

well could the horse have strangles without nasal discharge? no other horse has been sick in the barn and the swelling is not hard at all, it looks like a lot of edema, just a slight harder ball feeling in the middle between the two jaws, i am really impatient to bring my mare to the vet, i hope it is not a case of bastard strangles

[eclipse]

@sara78

well could the horse have strangles without nasal discharge? no other horse has been sick in the barn and the swelling is not hard at all, it looks like a lot of edema, just a slight harder ball feeling in the middle between the two jaws, i am really impatient to bring my mare to the vet, i hope it is not a case of bastard strangles

Yes we had a horse brought in for a trial that ended up with strangles. We quarantined him immediately and he had no nasal discharge and not much of a temperature. Vet confirmed the strangles by sending of the swabs for testing and then after the clearance date did another guttural pouche swab to confirm it was definitely clear. Non of our other horses contracted strangles, although we did quarantine the entire facility, put bio security in place and took daily temperatures of every horse and checked for any outside signs (swellings and nasal discharge).

Bastard strangles, I believe, can only be confirmed by swabbing and testing the gutteral pouches.

[sara78]

@eclipse

Yes we had a horse brought in for a trial that ended up with strangles. We quarantined him immediately and he had no nasal discharge and not much of a temperature. Vet confirmed the strangles by sending of the swabs for testing and then after the clearance date did another guttural pouche swab to confirm it was definitely clear. Non of our other horses contracted strangles, although we did quarantine the entire facility, put bio security in place and took daily temperatures of every horse and checked for any outside signs (swellings and nasal discharge).

Bastard strangles, I believe, can only be confirmed by swabbing and testing the gutteral pouches.

thank you and was it so swollen as mine? because mine sometimes is more and sometimes is less swollen, it depends on the day. It has been at least a month like this and the abcess didn’t break out, did yours? I touched her and it was like there is a lot of water unless in between the jaws, there i felt like a hard ball.

[eclipse]

@sara78

thank you and was it so swollen as mine? because mine sometimes is more and sometimes is less swollen, it depends on the day. It has been at least a month like this and the abcess didn’t break out, did yours? I touched her and it was like there is a lot of water unless in between the jaws, there i felt like a hard ball.

no, it was nowhere near as swollen. One of our barn workers noticed the swelling as soon as it happened and moved the horse to our quarantine area and called the vet immediately. It never got very big and never burst open…we were very lucky! We then had to disenfect and spray down every stall, feed tub, water bucket with a disinfectant the vet gave us. It all took a long time but we managed to not have it spread (part luck and part because we had routinely vaccinated until this year as we were advised not to…lol they are all getting vaccinated again seeing as it’s reared it’s ugly head in the area again!)

[sara78]

So i took my mare to the big vet practice and they found she has a protein loss condition, that is the reason of the oedema, now we are waiting the reason of the problem, i am quite stressed because it doesn t sound too good…

[trubandloki]

Jingles for your mare, @sara78 !

[4LeafCloverFarm]

@sara78

So i took my mare to the big vet practice and they found she has a protein loss condition, that is the reason of the oedema, now we are waiting the reason of the problem, i am quite stressed because it doesn t sound too good…

I understand what you mean. Even though the diagnosis seems “bad”, you did the right thing taking her to a clinic to have her evaluated. Now she will get the treatment she needs to feel better. Remember that not every diagnosis of a specific condition is dire and can depend a lot on the horses overall health, age, etc. Wishing both you and your mare well.

[EmilyM]

@sara78

So i took my mare to the big vet practice and they found she has a protein loss condition, that is the reason of the oedema, now we are waiting the reason of the problem, i am quite stressed because it doesn t sound too good…

Is it protein losing enteropathy?

[S1969]

@EmilyM

Is it protein losing enteropathy?

That was my thought but not understanding the connection between lymph nodes and that condition?

[sara78]

@EmilyM

Is it protein losing enteropathy?

Yes it Seems to be that, i am waiting for se tests results. They did a glucose absorption test and she failed, now i am waiting to know the cause. The mare was also scoped amonth ago for ulcers and had really a lot, after one month of gastrogard she scoped clear. I hope it is not a too serious condition. Anyway thank you very much for your help

[EmilyM]

@sara78

Yes it Seems to be that, i am waiting for se tests results. They did a glucose absorption test and she failed, now i am waiting to know the cause. The mare was also scoped amonth ago for ulcers and had really a lot, after one month of gastrogard she scoped clear. I hope it is not a too serious condition. Anyway thank you very much for your help

My dog had this, and sadly he didn’t do well. I’m curious the prognosis for horses and the cause. My dog had lymphangectasia (spelling?) which made him almost allergic to fats essentially (it’s more complicated, but i forget the ins and outs), and he had IBD which caused terrible inflammation. so the PLE was essentially a cause of low albumin in his blood work from these diseases and inhibited him from reabsorbing fluids that normally your body moves and dispels on its own. In the end he had a fat leg.

Interestingly, he also had some ulcers. i wonder if there is some digestive correlation here? I hope the prognosis for your horse is good.

Please keep us posted. Best wishes for a successful outcome.