hauling bungee or rope

Yeah, I’m not talking about your horse or my horse or DMK’s horse. I’m talking about the average horse who has not been desensitized to random crap flogging them out of the blue. I’m talking about Joe Average horse. Good luck catching that thing before it injures itself.

I’m also talking chain or nylon crossties. You really think you want to try to catch a horse with a) chain or b) before chain or nylon gets wrapped around a leg. That’s just silly. Joe Average is not going to hang around in a panic situation to let you do that.

I don’t like bungees either and will not use them I feel they are dangerous if a horse wants to fly out of the back of a trailer, but you should also untie before letting the butt bar down.

I actually don’t tie them. I run the lead rope through the ring but don’t tie it. Before I let the butt bar down I throw the lead rope over their neck and they are trained to stand until I tell them to "back’ out. If they are dancing around or pushing against the butt bar I will not let it down until they are standing still. They learn pretty quick that they aren’t getting out of there until they stand still.

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In the trailer, I tie to one of those velcro quick release ties that leaves about 1’ of lead on the horse. Never will I ever solid tie in a trailer, in case there is an emergency situation.

I constantly throw my leadropes on the ground while still clipped to halters. They figure it out, even the hot ones. The only one who will not ever figure it out has a vision issue and is pretty dumb on top of it, and I don’t think he can correctly discern what is on the ground in front of him. He does the same thing for hoses and lunge lines. Not worth the fight.

I’m firmly in camp “twine on the wall”. It’s not my problem if Joe Average has not done his homework.

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I get a lot of these ‘Joe Average’ horses you speak of and still have not had any serious issues. Again, with horses ANYTHING can happen even in the safest setups.

I almost always throw the lead rope on the ground, especially with babies or horses that do have issue with tying. Best to have a form of control if things break or they start pulling backwards, etc. Works well for the horses that like to move around a lot on crossties.

my ‘worst’ pullback is a rescue mare who leads well/loads pretty well and almost always pulls back if you tie her. I did not know that she ALWAYS pulled back until the first time i hauled her in to her first dressage lesson, and she pulled back and broke the crown strap (on a leather halter)…BENT the dang bar i had her tied to, and was free as a bird at a new stable…close to a road. Luckily she has learned good voice commands and did a solid “whoa!” about 10 feet from the trailer. Also, luckily, i had a spare halter in my pickup. And now i know… She’s broken two halters on me so far and i’ve not yet spent the time to teach her to tie. This winter, when they are in from 24/7 pasture i’ll work on her. I think i’ll use my farrier’s idea of just a two or three wrap around a rail. Or maybe the baling twine. I’ll have her in a nylon halter, a short (like 6’) lead rope and an enclosed barn and just keep catching her and retying her. There will be not much incentive for her to leave and probably little treats every few minutes she stays there. Really a PITA that she came-with this behavior, but that’s a ‘rescue’ for ya. They all have their little things…

I am firmly with Weezer on this one. My horse lost an eye when the twine tied to the wall broke and the cross tie end clip that had been attached to the twine flew back and hit him in the eye.

I know this is a tangent of the thread but I am wondering, what techniques do you use to teach them this?

I have one that ties just fine. Even when having a snit fit that their friend walked away, they dance and prance but know they are tied. But for some reason if they step on a lead rope while hand grazing (or get loose with a lead rope and step on it by accident) it is a total freak out until something breaks moment.
I have tried a few things but this seems to be a hurdle that we do not get over.

I would love some training tips to over come this.

Honestly, if you have “that” horse, it may be something you are stuck with… much like my “can stand on a lead rope 50 times a minute and not freak out but god forbid he hits the end of a rope he is tied on” asshole, er, I mean beloved retiree.

But what I generally do is start with a very short rope with a sturdy snap (one that can’t get wrapped around a leg but long enough to actually be stepped on) and a halter that will not break (if you use a rope halter make sure you know how to tie it in a way that doesn’t tighten the knot). Turn them loose in a small controlled area (round pen preferably, stall is not ideal, but OK). Give them hay, maybe in a couple spots so they have a need to move around. Find something that occupies your time in the vicinity for a good long time, depending on how special your horse is. Take apart and clean all your tack! Ignore them, if they freak and you immediately run up there it probably just reinforces the idea it really was scary after all. It’s not pretty with some of them, but even if the horse is always going to be DRAMATIC!!!11!1! about the pressure, at least they know it isn’t really terrifying.

If they don’t get past this without giving up being dramatic, I’m not sure I would bother going on, but at least you know you have done whatever can be done to make them less reactive. If they do get past it like most horses, halter, long lead rope, out in pasture or a dry lot. Keep an eye on them, but mostly they are just dealing with it at this point. I have a bunch of 6’ lead ropes that are perfect for this, not long enough to get into trouble with, long enough to step on repeatedly, they are also thick enough that they don’t wrap easily. If you are worried about a lead rope being too bendy and wrapping around a leg, just get some thinnish strong rope and run it though a length of old garden hose - with a knot at either end. That’s an old trick from Ye Olden Days to stake out a horse so it can’t easily get wrapped up while staked out.

The last stage is getting them used to a long rope following them. For me that’s just part of ground driving. I want a round pen for this but if I trust the horse, I’ll do it in a small arena. I always start with just two lines and regular lunging. One line is normal, the other is crosses over the withers and is just “there”. When we halt I work on accepting the feel of that line on the back and over the butt. If that goes well, I use it to ask for a change of direction into a halt. Once that is solid in both directions we work on some very slow controlled changes of direction at a walk with a lot of halts.

Finally I work up to trotting with the butt rope. If you have a fjeral fjord, it’s about this time he makes progressively larger and faster trot circles, and since you don’t have a round pen, the next thing you find out is that he is totally fine with 20 feet of ropes trailing after him on both sides after about 12 energetic trot steps, and you also learn he comes back to you when he is done self lunging. But Fjords are different.

But back to normal horses. At some point when I know they are A-OK with ground driving and ropes that may be on their butt, hocks and even under the tail, that’s when I want to introduce them to ropes that drag along behind the because I’m shooting for a horse who has a career in dragging things behind him! Me walking him with that inside long line and the outside one crossed over his withers and on the same side is a good start. All inside turns and ONLY inside turns. Do the other side as well. But again, only inside turns meaning that rope is always on his inside eye.

When it is time to do outside turns, be prepared, those are always much scarier. Since you probably don’t have breeching with trace hangers handy, again I would leave that rope going from left halter ring, across the withers over to the right side - that gives a feeling of being back across the haunches and behind them without being easily stepped on. As you are on the left do some straight lines, then make a left turn, wide and slow if you have a special child. That’s usually the moment the rubber hits the road, they can hear the thing “chasing” them but they can no longer see it. So the instinct is to whip around and face it, which of course makes it once again disappear from view. This part can get real fun with some horses said nobody ever. But most are pretty cool about it and if you have done all the steps carefully, you will KNOW if you have that kind of horse and you can figure out if continuing on is in your skill set. Your job is to anticipate the above and shut it down before it builds. If the horse is just a bit nervous you can go back to straight lines and try again and see if he is willing to listen to you. Most of the nervous ones are fine once they figure out that you think it is no big deal. But there are a few who tell you in no uncertain terms that they do not intend to have a career dragging things around. But since it is snapped to the same side you are on, if things go sideways, as soon as possible, you can unsnap that drag line without having to cross in front of a potentially volatile horse. If they continue to freak out, the drag line will just slide off their back and be gone in a second. If they are fine I work up to walking and trotting, both directions with that line crossed over (or in trace hangers if available). That way I know if something ever goes sideways, the one thing I’m not worried about is the horse dragging his lunge line or harness and reins across hill and dale. I mean he may still be panicking for a thousand reasons horses dream of i their sleep, but the equipment isn’t adding to the problem.

Then if you are really a masochist, you can work up to attaching milk jugs with some gravel to the end of the drag line. :smiley: Then at some point you may find yourself buying a few carriages and having more fun than should legally be allowed.

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And yet every last one of us will screw it up at least once per horse. I swear, it is like goosenecks and tailgates. :smiley: :smiley:

My current horse is too smart for that though. He is very slow and methodical backing down the ramp, I’d love to claim credit for it, but it was his idea from day one. So the day finally came when I forgot to untie him before I dropped the butt bar. He hit the end and didn’t freak out, but just sort of thought it was a problem he should slowly muscle his way through. I immediately realized what happened so I’m practically behind him telling him to go forward, which thankfully he did before anything broke.

Good fjord!

Fast forward about a month and as I’m unloading I’m multi-tasking (ahem, talking on the phone) and I do the same damn thing again, this time after he has been on the trailer for about 6+ hours. He hits the end of the line about 1/3 of the way down the ramp. He immediately stops, levels me with a look of pure disgust, heaves the most judgemental sigh a fjord has ever sighed, and walks back into the trailer.

Translation: “You had ONE job…”

I hang up, sheepishly walk in the trailer and untie him and apologize. He refuses to make eye contact all the way to the barn.

You had ONE job…

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Blocker tie rings…never leave home without them.

Susan

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I have been at the receiving end of a bungee tie that broke and snapped back at me from a panicked horse. Nope, never again.

But don’t tie Dobbin to the side of a trailer with one and then leave him because Dobbin can pull the lead thru and attempt to graze, getting himself stuck on various parts of the trailer since the lead is way too long.

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Hahahaha! :lol::lol::lol:

This reminds me of a time my old man and I were on a trail ride years ago (when he was not the old man :)) and I asked him to move to the side of the trail and walk through a puddle (forget why)… well, there was a hole in the puddle and he stepped right in it. He stopped, pulled his leg up out of the hole, turned to look at me as if to say “THAT’s why I don’t like walking through puddles!” :smiley: sighed and kept going. I still get looks to this day but it’s usually because I’m not scratching him in the right spot :smiley: or I’m late with dinner.

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Put a knot at the end so Dobbin can’t do that. If (the average) Dobbin pulls 8-12’ of rope out, he officially understands the game and needs the reminder that it’s not a negotiable item.

Or put it on the second or third tension setting so it’s not so easy to do.

(This is assuming Dobbin doesn’t have baggage, in which case that should be squared away long before he’s tied to a trailer)

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I did not know Dobbin. He was attached to a trailer near where I parked.
He could not pull the long lead rope all the way but had plenty of lead rope to get himself in trouble. Damaged the trailer and broke his halter after getting the lead rope snagged on a trailer part while he attempted to graze off the ground.

If you (general) are going to tie the horse so it can change how its tied then do not leave the horse with out supervision.

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They all can change it, solid or not, if they pull hard enough.

That said, I agree with you.

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In the past, I have always tied in the trailer with my rope. However, when I got my new trailer, I ordered these ties:
https://www.amazon.com/Intrepid-Inte…/dp/B000RENU9W
They have velcro sandwiched between the two sides. It’s not really possible to pull them apart with arm-power, but in an accident, they will break away. Just recently, while hauling my 16.1 hand, 1400 lb gelding, someone decided it would be a good idea to initiate a turn into our lane approximately 100’ in front of us while travelling 55 mph. We had to slam on the brakes, despite the hauling situation. When we were in the clear, we could feel him scramble back there and immediately pulled over. He had fallen onto his side (poop all on his side smashed), broke away from the velcro at the tie (Thank God!), and stood himself back up just about as soon as it had happened. If it hadn’t been for that breakaway tie, I’m sure he would have been injured and/or trapped under the slant divider from the impact of the stop.
I’m a believer!

Bungees–no. Firm rope tie–no. Then again, I use a blocker tie ring whenever I tie anywhere aside from the trailer. I like a little give, but not a stretchy moving give like a bungee.

Those are nice, but they bring up another question - has anyone ever safely used a “panic snap?” Seems all I ever do is get pinched by them. I was looking at some lines for cross tying that had those, and then decided to just go with plain ol’ cotton lead ropes with a regular snap at the halter end and a quick release knot at the tie end.

My trailer is two horse straight load with the chest bar and open space in front, and I will tie a quick release knot, but with some length for freedom of movement. Not enough that they can get their head under either the chest bar or the divider bar, but enough to look around and not feel confined. I’ll leave one loose if I take the divider out, it’s like a big box stall and I can watch on the camera to see how well they’re riding. That only works when trailering one horse though.

My last horse could untie any relatively safely tied lead rope out of boredom. I tend to use a standard cross tie type trailer tie. No bungees. I put the panic snap on the trailer side in case I need to use it as a lead in an emergency (snap end on horse side) and can’t do the extra step of fumbling with lead ropes. If I were to do a twine break away setup, it’s best to put that on the horse side so you don’t have a flying rope dangling from the horse.

Bungees are awful attached to horses in the trailer or elsewhere. If you want to allow some give, use a blocker ring.