Hauling horses for others

I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve hauled someone else’s horse. When I have done so, it has been to a place I was already going with my own single horse, a person and horse I trusted, and a very short trip.

I required them to sign a waiver, and accepted no money for anything.

If you want to keep doing it, call your insurance company and find out what it would cost. Then figure out what you’d have to charge to cover the added expenses plus make enough profit to make it worth your while.

I think that forum topics like this tend to attract the disgruntled nay-sayers and people with an axe to grind. What I am seeing on this thread certainly doesn’t reflect what I see in real life. Around my barn carpooling, or giving or accepting rides in exchange for gas money is the norm when several people are going to the same show or clinic, or trailering out for a trail ride with friends. Or in a vet emergency, just about anyone would offer a ride to a friend/barn mate if they had the trailer that was the most convenient. Though I do think that is a lot different from giving or accepting rides from complete strangers (which I have never done).

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I haul horses for friends and clients all the time, I don’t get where there is a problem. I have been doing it for years. I usually charge them for it. Trainers do it all the time.

I think that forum topics like this tend to attract the disgruntled nay-sayers and people with an axe to grind. What I am seeing on this thread certainly doesn’t reflect what I see in real life. Around my barn carpooling, or giving or accepting rides in exchange for gas money is the norm when several people are going to the same show or clinic, or trailering out for a trail ride with friends. Or in a vet emergency, just about anyone would offer a ride to a friend/barn mate if they had the trailer that was the most convenient. Though I do think that is a lot different from giving or accepting rides from complete strangers (which I have never done).

If I’m already going somewhere (be it to go for a gallop or trail ride, to a friend’s to jump school, for a lesson…whatever) I will usually ask if someone else is interested in going. I’ve already incurred all the time and monetary costs of hooking up and going somewhere so why not.

I probably wouldn’t haul someone somewhere I wasn’t already going unless it was an emergency, and under no circumstances would I loan my trailer to anyone, but I definitely trade rides so I don’t always have to be the one getting up at o dark thirty on a show day and it works out for me.

[QUOTE]I haul horses for friends and clients all the time, I don’t get where there is a problem. I have been doing it for years. I usually charge them for it. Trainers do it all the time. [QUOTE]

My prior trainer specifically stopped hauling client horses several years ago due to insurance costs.

Personally I would not haul other horses with mine because I’m somewhat of a wimp driving the trailer, and don’t like hauling two horses. So that’s my easy out.

I haul horses for friends and clients all the time, I don’t get where there is a problem. I have been doing it for years. I usually charge them for it. Trainers do it all the time.

The problem is that if you charge for hauling you become a commercial hauler in the eyes of the DOT and insurance industry. From the state of Maryland:

If you are hauling horses, you may be subject to licensing and vehicle registration regulations beyond those required for operating a passenger car. If your horse enterprise involves any exchange of money, or if your vehicle or combination is over a certain size, you may be required to obtain a United States Department of Transportation (US DOT) number, a Motor Carrier (MC) number, and/or a Commercial Driver’s License (CDL).

Commercial haulers need special licenses and must keep log books, among other things.

From a blog post that I wrote a few years ago when I researched the issue:

The biggest issue is that by accepting payment, you can be viewed commercial shipper by your insurance agent. This could mean that your regular insurance would not cover damages if you are in an accident.

In addition, if the horse you are hauling is not your own and you are in an accident or the horse gets hurt in the trailer, the owner could sue you in both civil and criminal courts! Remember, even if your insurance covers your truck and trailer, it likely does not cover the contents of your trailer — such as the horses and tack.

Like many things, this isn’t a problem until it is a problem. You might go your entire life without having an accident or having a horse get hurt in your trailer. But if something does happen, the consequences can be significant. It’s up to each person to decide if they want to take those kind of risks. And, don’t think that just because the friend or person whose horse your hauling wouldn’t sue you (presumably because of their gratitude). Their insurance company will do it.

The rest of my blog post is here: https://equineink.com/2011/04/03/how-much-should-you-charge-per-mile-when-trailering-a-friend/

Just wanted to add that Trainers typically have care and custody insurance which covers them for hauling. They are considered commercial haulers EVEN IF the trailering fee is included in your board because you are involved in a commercial agreement with them.

The other thing to consider, depending on the state you live in, is just because the person you’re hauling “would never sue me!” doesn’t mean that if you got in an accident the other non-related party won’t. Depending on how far it goes - the friend can get deposed and would then have to answer questions about payments for transport. Your insurance company may then decline to cover losses based on the perception of commercial activity

I was not hauling horses, but we got in an accident while hauling a trailer a couple of years ago. Convincing the insurance company that we were not engaged in commercial activity took some real doing. And I live in a no-fault state. It was months of back and forth between lawyers before it finally settled. It would’ve broke us financially if our auto insurance did not cover the attorney fees.

Based on that experience alone - I just don’t haul other people’s horses unless it is a medical emergency. I’ve hauled other horses exactly twice - once to the vet hospital and once when a friend ended up in the ER after a fall at a show.

rjr, you are so correct that topics like this tend to attract disgruntled nay-sayers or people with an ax to grind (me)! But I think we are talking about two different kinds of People Without Trailers. From what you write, I suspect you have given rides to peers and good friends --friends who value what you do. Because I originally was “the kid without the trailer” the people I (loudly) complained about were the PARENTS of “kids without trailers.” Kids only know what their parents tell them. For 32 years (this is my last year) I was part of a 4-H group with my kids (now grandchild). Probably 1/2 of those 200 kids didn’t have trailers. Because I wanted to “pay back” the kindness of those who hauled me as a child --I was the go-to person for a lift to the horse venue. And as you could have told me, do anything enough, even a good deed, sooner or later it’s going to stop being fun. I never took money, but I did ask the parents to drive their own kids, supervise their kids, load their own horses and unload. I suggested wrapping. And after doing all that hauling for about 15 years, I quit after the parent accused ME of hurting their (unwrapped) horse when he fell off the ramp. But as I have (often said) there was so much more inconsideration leading up to that final straw. And as other COTH pointed out --I could have been more emphatic (but how do you MAKE someone clean out poop from a trailer --worse the parents who stood helplessly and tried to make their kid hold his horse and clean out the trailer) --impress on people that letting horses rub bridles and halters on the side of the trailer causes paint damage --not loan stuff out of your trailer (that is never returned or returned damaged/dirty) – and the parents who tell the kid to ride with ME then show up at the horse show to watch --expecting ME to help the child unload, tack, sign up for classes etc. etc. And I could go on --it wasn’t just kids --some of my “friends” were equally inconsiderate and worst of all --made “a joke” when I asked them to not allow horses to rub on my trailer with bridles/halters on --keep their hay in the truck and not the dressing room, clean out their own poop --and as I said, I’ve owned a trailer for 50 years (not the same one) and to this day NO ONE has ever offered to come over and pull out mats and wash the trailer, let alone contribute to the maintenance. So, yep RJR, you are correct --I am disgruntled and a nay-sayer. But as soloudinhere said, I’ll haul someone whose company I enjoy --just for the pleasure of their company --even if I have to clean the poop and remind them to care for my trailer!

Enjoytheride, I would give you a ride!

I am in MA…and I don’t think anyone has ever asked me who owns the horses in my trailer! Seriously. We do it all the time around these parts, buddy up for clinics, I will toss a friends horse in and bring it to a show that she’s going too if there’s no room on her trainers trailer or if she doesn’t want to haul and I have space. If I lived my life based on insurance companies I would never get anything done. I have insurance that is needed for my business, I am not a professional hauler, I am a good friend to those in need…so sue me.

I agree with Bogey2, the only place I have ever heard about anyone getting in trouble for taking gas money to haul other people’s horses to the same show/lesson/etc has been on COTH and I’ve never seen anyone say it has happened to them. Only that it could have happened to a friend of a friend.

I have never heard of it happening to anyone I know of personally or anyone that I know on Facebook. Half the state’s pony clubbers don’t own a trailer and they share ride all the time.

I have also NEVER heard that hauling a friend’s horse to a couple shows for gas money has ever lead to the loss of someone’s ammy license.

By all means, don’t do it if you don’t want to.

[QUOTE=Bogey2;9040892]
I am in MA…and I don’t think anyone has ever asked me who owns the horses in my trailer! Seriously. We do it all the time around these parts, buddy up for clinics, I will toss a friends horse in and bring it to a show that she’s going too if there’s no room on her trainers trailer or if she doesn’t want to haul and I have space. If I lived my life based on insurance companies I would never get anything done. I have insurance that is needed for my business, I am not a professional hauler, I am a good friend to those in need…so sue me.[/QUOTE]

Which if the OP was not feeling taken advantage of would be fine so long as she understands the risk involved, particularly as she is taking money for hauling.

Those of us who have lived through trailer situations gone bad are just letting OP know what happened in our particular situations. My point was that it is not just the people she is hauling that present the risk, but other motorists on the road.

In my case it was a driver who knew the road and played possum at a light that you could not see until you were right on it. It was raining and we barely tapped him. Literally no damage to my truck or his truck. Oh, but he grabbed his neck right away and demanded an ambulance. If I’d been hauling that trailer for business without the proper insurance - there is no way my insurance company would have provided the lawyer or paid the settlement. It was months and I have no idea how many billable hours for the attorney.

If you don’t think that a lawyer would have demanded proof of the ownership of any horses in the trailer, and then subpoena the owners, you have more faith in people than I do. And then those owners would have to either acknowledge under oath that they paid for the service or lie. The second your personal auto policy got wind of that testimony - they’re likely cutting you loose for both the attorney, any settlement, and likely billing for the hours the attorney already has into the case.

Problem is when a horse gets hurt. If it’s a good friend it may be OK BUT what if the horse is insured!!! Friend now tries to get payout from insurance company, and the insurance company now holds you responsible for damage to the horse.

I didn’t read the whole thread but poltroon pretty much summed it up.

I spend ~15 years providing emergency and non emergency transport to UC Davis and other area equine hospitals. I only did show hauling for the h/j barn that I used to manage because I knew the trainer, the clients, and most of the horses and big h/j shows are a drop off/pick up days later kind of thing. Hanging out at shows waiting for horses is not my idea of a good time, OTOH, hanging out at vet hospitals when it’s not my horse that’s the patient, is very interesting.

The insurance was expensive, but so was I :wink: I believe I provided a good service, and so did my clients. It allowed trainers to not have to take horses to the vets because they could count to me to look after the horse, and I helped the onesey owners understand vetspeak etc.

I enjoyed doing it 90% of the time, it paid for my truck and trailer. I stopped doing it when life changed. I miss doing it, a lot sometimes. Would I haul a horse for someone else now that I’m not carrying commercial insurance? No way. I mean yeah, I’ll haul one of my BFF’s horse to the vet for her, or something like that. I’ll haul the horse, she’ll farm sit for me a few months later, that’s just trading favors. But outside of that, no. I still get calls sometimes, and when it’s a colic late at night or something, it IS hard to say “I’m sorry, I don’t do that anymore”, but other people’s horses are NOT my responsibility, and it IS my responsibility not to expose myself to that kind of liability. In all the years, the hundreds of thousand of miles, I never once had a problem where I needed the insurance I spent all that money on, but when you don’t have insurance is when you damn sure WILL need it.

That’s my take on it, hope that helps.

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[QUOTE=enjoytheride;9039790]
If other people hadn’t hauled me for the first ummm 10 years of horse ownership I wouldn’t have gone anywhere. Ever. Period. I didn’t board at any barns where there was a trainer who hauled to shows.

I am forever grateful to all of those people, I bought lunches, split gas, cleaned out trailers, fed horses while they were out of town.

Continue to haul for people as you wish, ask for gas money/toll/lunch and expect them to be on time, polite, and thankful.[/QUOTE]

This is my experience too.

I don’t consider it " charging " if you split the cost of fuel to get to and from the event and if they want to buy you a meal as a thank you, it is much appreciated.

I don’t think they are taking advantage of you unless they refuse to split the costs. If they don’t want to contribute their fare share, then don’t haul them.

I don’t consider it " charging " if you split the cost of fuel to get to and from the event and if they want to buy you a meal as a thank you, it is much appreciated.

Ultimately it’s what the insurance companies think that matters. Your insurance company would love to find a reason not to pay out if you’re in an accident.

I still take friends places. In an emergency of course I would take a friend’s horse to the vet. I never charge anything, I do not even split the cost of the gas. It is not worth it.

Not a horse related accident, but years ago we had an employee who was driving a car that we owned (as a named driver). Weather was bad and she skidded on the ice and hit a car that was already off the road. In the process, the woman standing next to the car got flipped over the guard rail and broke her femur. $100,000 later, I was very, very glad that we had crossed all the Ts and dotted the I’s on our insurance policy. That money went to the lawyers fees, hospital bills and settlement. Our insurance company covered the whole thing. It is amazing how quickly the costs add up. I never want to give our insurance carrier any way to question the validity of our insurance. Your tolerance for risk may be higher than mine :slight_smile:

As an FYI, I was able to add hauling insurance to my TRAILER insurance policy for minimal cost. It is specifically named as a “hauling for profit, non commercial” rider and it covers me only for the death or fatal injury resulting from fire, explosion, collision, or overturn of my trailer but it does cover me for legal fees resulting therefrom. Better than nothing.