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Help Putting on the Last 100lbs (Or So)

Have you treated for ulcers? Does she pace or run the weight off?

That’s a lot of feed. My easy keepers stay fat on free choice (and sometimes rationed hay). They might get 3 lb of alfalfa per day with a vitamin mineral and salt supplement. I would be concerned something is wrong. Even my starvation case didn’t eat like that when gaining weight.

The only horse I had that couldn’t gain weight had pssm type 1. She was very skinny and even though she gained weight, she was still symptomatic despite the high fat diet and exercise.

I would definitely treat for EPM. My concern is that she is getting plenty of nutrients but isn’t able to absorb them or the body has a disease process burning those calories off. And maybe treat for ulcers because that causes difficulty absorbing nutrients.

How long has she been on the 3 cups of oil a day?

Her diet should more then meet her nutritional needs. My horses would be walking buffalos on that much feed! You are right to be concerned.

My horse had Lyme about 10 years ago. BO, who has a very good eye, noticed very subtle signs of lameness that moved randomly from leg to leg. The vet was at the barn. They skipped the SNAP test and drew blood which came back positive. He was on doxy for 6 weeks and it was cured. Lyme is endemic in this area, so we assume most of the horses would test positive even if they are not symptomatic.

One of the problems with Lyme is it can become chronic. The Cornell test can distinguish acute from chronic. BO’s son had Lyme a few years ago. The MD specialist asked if she knew anything about it. She answered sure, I take care of horses. She didn’t know as much as she thought she did. In people, for example, the spirochetes that are not killed by antibiotics - the strongest - will burrow into tissue then reemerge and re-infect. I have no idea if that happens with horses. In any case, I would not be comfortable waiting 90 days to retest my horse and decide on treatment. My horse was on doxy for 45 days and was cured. I’ve always felt that a lot of horse owners don’t treat their horses long enough.

You have so many different products in her diet. You keep adding something to her diet hoping she will gain weight. I have a feeling she is looking at the feed tub, says oh-yuk, and leaves most of it untouched.

Which ingredients in which products are doing what? How much of each nutrient is she getting? What is the daily requirement? How many sources of fat are there? The more different products you are mixing together the more likely you are to throw the nutritional balance out of whack. She is getting not quite 4 cups - a quart - of oil per day plus whatever she gets from other products. That’s a lot. Commercial bagged feeds have to tell you what the ingredients are. They also tell you how much of each nutrient they provide. There is no way this diet is better than bagged feeds unless you are testing each batch for nutritional balance.

There are so many choices from so many grain manufacturers these days that it’s much easier to find something that has what you are looking for. I’d put everything on the shelf and start over with hay, then add the grain. Give it a chance to work.

My horse is 26, was pasture boarded but needed extra calories. Now he has a nice stall open to an oversize run that is never closed except for extreme bad weather. Blue Seal has 5 formulas in their Sentinel line that are nuggets. He doesn’t get Senior, he gets Performance LS because it meets his nutritional needs better. Higher in fat, high fiber, low carbs. I had to move to a new barn in November because of poor care, especially not having access to enough hay. He is not a hard keeper. He can hold his body weight at “normal” but he doesn’t get fat. Now he has an endless supply of hay which is what he needed. The primary change the new BO made was to soak the grain. The sloppier it is the more he likes it. He’s getting a few cups more but it’s split into 2 meals and a late night snack.

Have you had blood work done? My horse tested at the top of the selenium scale. It is “low” in the soil here so it’s easy to assume you can’t give them too much. It is an ingredient in his grain and I was giving him natural vitamin E with selenium. I switched to plain vitamin E because the grain has enough selenium. His supplements are Vit E, biotin, and a joint formula for his arthritis. It took a couple of months to gain 100 lbs. He looks terrific. He still gets endless hay and sloppy grain and is the happiest horse in the world.

Update - Her appetite really picked up after starting the EPM meds (on day 10). She was cleaning up all her meals and her attitude/ temperament perked up some (she’s naturally very inquisitive but became even more so) UNTIL we started the doxy (on day 4 of doxy). She has been so good taking the syringes (I refuse to mix it with grain since I know she won’t eat it that way) but has regressed a lot in regards to eating her grain. She will eat maybe 1/3 of each meal now, though she is happy to eat the loose alfalfa flakes from the square bales we got on Monday (I toss 1-2 flakes with her AM and PM grain and if she’s inside she has it loose, free choice). I bought her some probiotics which came today, but not sure how much of them she will eat. I’m thinking I might need to/ try putting her on GG throughout the doxy to keep her tummy happy.

Fenugreek helps improve appetite. I add about 2 tsps. of seeds to Miss Picky’s mash. She eats more of everything.

Update a little over a month into both meds and adding in 1lb per feeding AM/PM of Triple Crown Complete (was supposed to be the Senior and will be switching to that when the Complete runs out) and 1 flake loose alfalfa am and pm. She is mostly consistently eating her food (the TC was added for palability) and seems to have put on some weight as she has more fat over her ribs. Still a little left to go, but i think I see an improvement.

I see an improvement . Keep it up!

I see improvement too! Doxy is rough on their stomachs. I wouldn’t go crazy adding anything else right now. When she finishes treatment, I bet her full appetite will return. I’m sure you’re doing this, but make sure she’s on a probiotic in addition to whatever ulcer prevention you are using, for the full course of antibiotics plus a few weeks after.