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I hope you don’t mind but I copied your post over to my board. People had been asking.
Thanks for the info.[/QUOTE]
If you are referring to my email, go ahead, :-). If not, oops, sorry.
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If you are referring to my email, go ahead, :-). If not, oops, sorry.[/QUOTE]
I was and thank you.
I understand the economics of harvesting his semen, but it does not sit well with me. Eric was asked about the loss of income re breeding during the press conference and he said it was not important, that he was not a potent stallion, etc. As an owner I guess he would have had to agree about harvesting him, but somehow I can’t see him thinking of it at that time. Others may have of course.
I am still so sad over this untimely death. Glad Eric owns a young colt!!
Apparently, although it could just be rumors, Hickstead was supposed to be getting semen frozen next month. If that was the case, then getting breeding doses was already on the brain. I can totally see, even though in the middle of tragedy, that getting the testicles to the right people would be critical. As I said in a previous post, we stand a fairly well known pony hunter stallion who will be 25 years old next year and already have UC Davis saved on our speed dial. Sometimes, you just never know, but I’d rather be prepared now than trying to scramble later while dealing with a death at the same time. :sadsmile: I certinaly wouldn’t do it for just any old stallion, and it could be likely that we end up with nothing in return…but it would be worth the try. But this opinion is also coming from the Stallion Owner end of things! 
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I understand the economics of harvesting his semen, but it does not sit well with me. Eric was asked about the loss of income re breeding during the press conference and he said it was not important, that he was not a potent stallion, etc. As an owner I guess he would have had to agree about harvesting him, but somehow I can’t see him thinking of it at that time. Others may have of course.
I am still so sad over this untimely death. Glad Eric owns a young colt!![/QUOTE]
If I may contribute my opinion, and that is exactly what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
The world’s greatest jumper has died.
Tragically.
What the owners do or do not decide to do re: his semen is their choice.
I dont think, if it was me, that making a some thousands, ok even some MANY thousands, on some semen really is on the priority list here.
They are figuring out what semen is available in Europe, and what is not. Maybe this includes some post mortem harvesting, maybe not.
If they got some, good for the breeders, if not, let us let this poor horse RIP.
We had our chance to buy the semen when he was alive, and many people took the “wait and see” attitude.
Kudos to the ones who took their chances.
How many people are ready to buy semen in Europe? I doubt many, if they are in North America, so this discussion, while educational on some level, is really moot.
Heck 90% of the the discussions on COTH are “moot.”
It’s no different than water cooler talks – very few of us are in a position to actually make our opinions/thoughts “unmoot” regarding the various subjects that arise.
It’s a social forum, not the Senate…
If they did harvest semen it would only make sense, they own the stallion, bred him previously and he was a successful competing horse. That alone, even if they keep all the semen they recovered (if they did do it) to use to breed a few of his offspring for themselves in the coming years, good for them. Loss is hard but just like donating organs after a death, if you wish to keep a part of what or who you lost alive so be it. His offspring now are young but look promising, so if that was their choice, their option and they took it it makes total sense. IF they didn’t and were willing to just let him go that again was the right choice for them.
Two doses of Hickstead Semen in Canada
Just wanted to see if I could reach anyone interested in Hickstead frozen semen. Northern Legacy Horse Farm, based out of Whitefish, Ontario Canada is pleased to inform breeders that we possess two doses of frozen semen out of Olympic Champion and 2008 world #1ranked show jumper Hickstead. Due to the rare nature of this semen we are asking a sale price of $30,000 us dollars per dose plus shipping and applicable taxes. If you are interested in purchasing Hickstead semen for your breeding program please contact us at northernlegacyhorsefarm@hotmail.com
This might be the last two chances to buy this semen good luck hoping to hear from many of you soon.:yes:
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Just wanted to see if I could reach anyone interested in Hickstead frozen semen. Northern Legacy Horse Farm, based out of Whitefish, Ontario Canada is pleased to inform breeders that we possess two doses of frozen semen out of Olympic Champion and 2008 world #1ranked show jumper Hickstead. Due to the rare nature of this semen we are asking a sale price of $30,000 us dollars per dose plus shipping and applicable taxes. If you are interested in purchasing Hickstead semen for your breeding program please contact us at northernlegacyhorsefarm@hotmail.com
This might be the last two chances to buy this semen good luck hoping to hear from many of you soon.:yes:[/QUOTE]
30k??? :eek:
You could have almost cloned the original.
Post #28 by Northern Legacy has been reported as a sales ad.
But $30,000 per dose? Are they kidding? What idiot is going to pay that?
The poor quality of the semen is well known and we have no idea what the resulting produces (if any) will be. Hickstead himself was a phenomenom, but his pedigree was ok at best.Most breeders are just not that interested in it but I have no doubt he might find someone for whom money is no object.
The few foals he did produced in North America scored very well with the KWPN at their foal inspection. I think one was even top jumper foal…
We have limited data available but the data that is available shows that proportionally the did produce nice foals. His dam line was not bad either according to some KWPN breeding gurus I read and talked to.
A few on this board did breed to him, perhaps they will chime in.
Not a comment on the price of the last remaining doses but rather surprise they choose to sell rather then use it: they are breeders after all and clearly had acquired it for a reason.
Not a comment on the price of the last remaining doses but rather surprise they choose to sell rather then use it: they are breeders after all and clearly had acquired it for a reason.
Well if you could actually get 30k a dose for iffy stuff that is a way better return then trying to use it.
I do not think people who have paid the 5 500$ breeding fee, or who would pay this 30K$ fee, are aiming for a foal inspection champion. They hope that Hickstead would produce like him. And as mention, with such a weak pedigree, I think it is a gamble, and if it pays, it would pay big time. Although I would not have paid it, their are breeders outthere with pockets deep enough to take that bet. I like the one ridden by Sharn Wordley though, let see if they all develop in that sense.
Dumb question but I see certain dead stallions available using ICIS technology or “dose”…is that a regular straw or is it a specific unique dose and freezing technology for that process?
I cannot imagine semen was frozen with this in mind as it seems a relatively new procedure. Just wondering if that would be an option here although the actually breeding process sounds super expensive.
It costs about $600 to take a regular semen dose and refreeze it into icsi doses. Each icsi straw may have about 20ish or so sperm per straw.
Considering the rarity and the fact it “sounds like” it’s a full dose, it very well may find a buyer. I saw an icsi straw sell for 5k of another jumper. (20 sperm per straw) That did however have a three icsi straw max. When an embryo was produced the remaining straws (if any) had to be returned. ICSI at that vet cost 10k from start to finish. Not bad IMO.
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Dumb question but I see certain dead stallions available using ICIS technology or “dose”…is that a regular straw or is it a specific unique dose and freezing technology for that process?
I cannot imagine semen was frozen with this in mind as it seems a relatively new procedure. Just wondering if that would be an option here although the actually breeding process sounds super expensive.[/QUOTE]
There are a couple stallion son hopefuls listed on HorseTelex:
“Hickstead White” (2012) out of Queentina by Coupe de Coeur (dam’s damsire is Quidam’s Rubin), currently licensed by OS-Int, Oldenburg, Westfalen, and Rheinland, standing at Gestut Sprehe and is being offered for the 2015 season. Very well-bred damline which is linebred x2 to Landadel and x2 to Caletto I.
http://www.gestuet-sprehe.de/en/stallions/stallion/details/hickstead-white/
http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=11098622
“Exceptional” (2012) out of Winning Girl by Numero Uno (dam’s damsire is Capitol I). Mare is from Holstein Stamm 162 for those that follow this. He is currently licensed Zangersheide. Don’t know where he is standing at the moment, or if he is even open to the public.
“PK Standstead” - (2012) out of SPS Allegrina by Argentinus (dam’s damsire is Lamoureux I by Landadel), licensed by the AES and stands in the UK. He is being offered to the public.
http://www.pkstud.com/stallions.html
Hickstead also has a full brother who is fully approved, called Hickstead II. He is approved Zangersheide and KWPN. I don’t know how much he is actually used in breeding, but there are 2 mares in KWPN who are related to each other:
- Firosa S is out of Damerosa and is IBOP PROK Ster. Born 2010.
- Firoza S is out of Imorosa, (daughter Damerosa). She is IBOP PROK. Born 2010.
There is also another fully approved half-brother approved with KWPN called Gino-H, sired by Calvino Z. Also licensed with AES.
Hickstead’s mother has had 16 pregnancies, 15 registered living foals with KWPN thus far, and 3 of those were stallions. What a prolific mare. She has at least 1 daughter awarded Prestatie Ster, 1 Elite, and 2 Ster.
The mare family has produced numerous Verbandsprämie, Staatsprämie, Hauptstutbuch, pref prest, elite, and at least a couple keur pref prest mares and at least 6 approved stallions.
Hickstead’s mother was awarded the Keur Preferent Prestatie titles.
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There are a couple stallion son hopefuls listed on HorseTelex:
“Hickstead White” (2012) out of Queentina by Coupe de Coeur (dam’s damsire is Quidam’s Rubin), currently licensed by OS-Int, Oldenburg, Westfalen, and Rheinland, standing at Gestut Sprehe and is being offered for the 2015 season. Very well-bred damline which is linebred x2 to Landadel and x2 to Caletto I.
http://www.gestuet-sprehe.de/en/stallions/stallion/details/hickstead-white/
http://sporthorse-data.com/d?i=11098622
“Exceptional” (2012) out of Winning Girl by Numero Uno (dam’s damsire is Capitol I). Mare is from Holstein Stamm 162 for those that follow this. He is currently licensed Zangersheide. Don’t know where he is standing at the moment, or if he is even open to the public.
“PK Standstead” - (2012) out of SPS Allegrina by Argentinus (dam’s damsire is Lamoureux I by Landadel), licensed by the AES and stands in the UK. He is being offered to the public.
http://www.pkstud.com/stallions.html
Hickstead also has a full brother who is fully approved, called Hickstead II. He is approved Zangersheide and KWPN. I don’t know how much he is actually used in breeding, but there are 2 mares in KWPN who are related to each other:
- Firosa S is out of Damerosa and is IBOP PROK Ster. Born 2010.
- Firoza S is out of Imorosa, (daughter Damerosa). She is IBOP PROK. Born 2010.
There is also another fully approved half-brother approved with KWPN called Gino-H, sired by Calvino Z. Also licensed with AES.
Hickstead’s mother has had 16 pregnancies, 15 registered living foals with KWPN thus far, and 3 of those were stallions. What a prolific mare. She has at least 1 daughter awarded Prestatie Ster, 1 Elite, and 2 Ster.
The mare family has produced numerous Verbandsprämie, Staatsprämie, Hauptstutbuch, pref prest, elite, and at least a couple keur pref prest mares and at least 6 approved stallions.
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I don’t know alot about jumping bloodlines, but this doesn’t sound “mediocre” to me.
Ok, I am not going to argue long on his pedigree, and good if their are horses I am not aware of. But Gino H seems to be approuved with AES and has no significant results or products (but he is only 4 YO). Hickstead II is at Raymakers and is doing the small tours. I just do not see the performances you would normaly expect from the dameline of such a horse. Hopefully, when such a phenomenom is produced, great breeders get interested to the line and maybe they will work it well enough to developp it into a great line. But to me, for the moment, it remains it is not an exceptionnal pedigree.
"It costs about $600 to take a regular semen dose and refreeze it into icsi doses. Each icsi straw may have about 20ish or so sperm per straw. "
Thanks for the information! Obviously only a well trusted specialist would be chosen to do this! So am I correct to think a regular dose would produce many ICIS doses or is there "fall out from the process and you lose a portion of the sperm? (I thought a regular does has like 400,000 sperm times the progressive motility to get a "good " sperm count? ) Definitely the mare owner would need deep pockets to get the job done–if only I had more luck with the lottery as there are some amazing “classics” available this way! Thanks again. 
