Holsteiner Stallion Carinjo wins St. Tropez

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7617499]
1.5 meters is right at 59 inches. 1.55 meters is just over 61 inches, and 1.60 is right at 63 inches. Every .5 meters seems to convert to 2 inches. Show jumping at the Mexico City Olympic went up to 1.70 and was won by an American TB for individual gold. There is a video of an ancient Aachen where George Morris who rode there comments that there was a 1.80 meter jump–or just over 71 inches.

Anyone who suggests that the jumps can’t go higher is wrong because there is proof that there were higher jumps in the past.

I also looked up the Global Champions Tour, and the 4 that have been so far have 1.60 GPs. Were you not aware of that?[/QUOTE]

They also have 1.55 meter GCT’s…you obviously weren’t aware of that seeing has you’ve never been to one and judging by the way you speak…I don’t think you’ve been to a show at all. If you had , you wouldn’t be making some of the remarks you have.

I don’t give a flying flip about what George Morris did 100 years ago nor do I care that some TB horse won a big class 100 yrs ago.

The buisness is showjumping today…you breed with Tb’s for top sport today and you will go bankrupt because you are putting a horse on the ground virtually no one wants.

Hell , they don’t win in Olympic eventing anymore , sure as heck don’t win in dressage and showjumping and they usually don’t even win in the big hunter classes anymore. What are they good for ? I’ve stated to you their only influence…the generational production of the warmblood. Guess what Viney ? Even that has faded considerably…the TB stallions get less than 1% of all warmblood mares in Europe.

your beloved TB’s are on the cusp of becoming entirely irrelevant at this current time of sporthorse breeding globally.

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=ynl063w;7617372]
Bayhawk, I admire your patience and appreciate your perseverance every time threads like this rear their ignorant heads. I see you as one of the few voices of reason for those of us who 1) don’t have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Thoroughbreds and 2) are able to read for comprehension.

There are others who have contributed to this thread (as well as others in the past) in ways that are educational to those of us who prefer to face reality and stick to the facts. Thanks to all of you too.[/QUOTE]

There aren’t enough eye rolls in the world. Patience? It doesn’t surprise me that you would post this though. I doubt anyone here has “an unhealthy emotional attachment to Thoroughbreds”, and the people here who like TBs have good reading comprehension.

(Cue a tantrum and some untrue BS about how I’ve never competed or bred a horse.)

[Bachus]

[QUOTE=andy.smaga;7617140]
My stallion will go to Aachen, I hope you will like him (if he’s not sold before the event… prices are getting crazy for top horses)[/QUOTE]

Interesting! True prices are really getting crazy! I am looking forward to see your horse!

[andy.smaga]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;7617250]
I’ll be pulling for you Andy ! Which one is he ?[/QUOTE]
He’s Quartz Rouge, breeder is the famous Leredde family.
He started the major league Nations Cup this year with a second place in Lummen and a win in La Baule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFH3JCfXkko
The video is of the 2nd leg in La Baule and the very enthusiastic comments are from Eric Lamaze (couldn’t have a better commentator)
more videos following the link in my signature.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=andy.smaga;7617820]
He’s Quartz Rouge, breeder is the famous Leredde family.
He started the major league Nations Cup this year with a second place in Lummen and a win in La Baule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFH3JCfXkko
The video is of the 2nd leg in La Baule and the very enthusiastic comments are from Eric Lamaze (couldn’t have a better commentator)
more videos following the link in my signature.[/QUOTE]

Good job and good luck Andy !

[vineyridge]

Most of the Global Champion Tour classes are under 6 feet, but the GPs are 6 feet. And have been since the Tour started. But we were talking about 1.6 meter classes, and then you changed the subject. You always change the subject.

I haven’t mentioned TBs at all in this thread, except for the winner of the Mexico City gold. And that was to counter a suggestion that the fences couldn’t go higher, because they have been higher in the past.

Controlling competitions and competition courses also controls the type of horse that is used. That principle has been proved in eventing since the end of long format. People are using horses that could never have survived endurance day.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7618308]
Most of the Global Champion Tour classes are under 6 feet, but the GPs are 6 feet. And have been since the Tour started. But we were talking about 1.6 meter classes, and then you changed the subject. You always change the subject.

I haven’t mentioned TBs at all in this thread, except for the winner of the Mexico City gold. And that was to counter a suggestion that the fences couldn’t go higher, because they have been higher in the past.

Controlling competitions and competition courses also controls the type of horse that is used. That principle has been proved in eventing since the end of long format. People are using horses that could never have survived endurance day.[/QUOTE]

Goodbye Viney. I hope one day you can get away from your bookshelf and away from your computer and actually experience reality on the showgrounds and in the breeding sheds. Until then…you will always be very limited in your knowledge.

[Foxtrot_s]

Anybody notice a semblance between Bayhawk and our other poster, Trak?

[grayarabpony]

I can’t decide which is worse.

[Go_Fish]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7617499]
1.5 meters is right at 59 inches. 1.55 meters is just over 61 inches, and 1.60 is right at 63 inches. Every .5 meters seems to convert to 2 inches. Show jumping at the Mexico City Olympic went up to 1.70 and was won by an American TB for individual gold. There is a video of an ancient Aachen where George Morris who rode there comments that there was a 1.80 meter jump–or just over 71 inches.

Anyone who suggests that the jumps can’t go higher is wrong because there is proof that there were higher jumps in the past.

I also looked up the Global Champions Tour, and the 4 that have been so far have 1.60 GPs. Were you not aware of that?[/QUOTE]

Courses today are much more technical and ask entirely different questions than they did in the 60s. It’s not all about the height of the jump.

I think Bayhawk is right…you need to get out more.

[Go_Fish]

[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;7618982]
Anybody notice a semblance between Bayhawk and our other poster, Trak?[/QUOTE]

No.

[vineyridge]

Oh, I agree courses are different. I’ve said that for years. The question is “why”?

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7619106]
Oh, I agree courses are different. I’ve said that for years. The question is “why”?[/QUOTE]

Doesn’t matter why…it’s history. Why was there prohibition ? Doesn’t matter , it’s history.

Quit acting like just because a TB jumped a couple jumps that were 1.80 meter in the Olympics with George Morris that it means they were the only ones that could have jumped that high. The Holsteiner Stallion Conte ( Canturo / Corrado I stamm 776 ) just won the 2.10 meter competition at Spruce Meadows a couple months back. Why didn’t a TB win ?

I have stated to you over and over that in this time in history , direct TB influence is all but finished. Now ,if you can put your extreme TB fanaticism aside , I will show you an example of them still having a major influence…just not directly.

I will use a mare that comes from my house. She was just awarded States Premium status , and invited to the Elite Mare Show in Holstein later this month with 66 other mares. She is 1 of the 67 best 3 yr old mares in Holstein this year.

Since you obviously have plenty of books and websites , you can decipher the blood in her pedigree and tell me what you see.

Connor / Carlos DZ / Acorado / Landgraf / Lord / Ramiro stamm 776.

[Go_Fish]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7619106]
Oh, I agree courses are different. I’ve said that for years. The question is “why”?[/QUOTE]

I think the bigger question is, “why not?”

Horseshows are not obligated to keep things “like they were in the olden days.” Olympic disciplines are not the only horse sports that have evolved. Whether good or bad (and that’s open to interpretation), it is what it is. A large majority of the world’s best and most successful breeders think we are on the right path. I happen to agree with them.

[grayarabpony]

Asking why a TB didn’t win the puissance at Spruce meadows is quite frankly a stupid question – for reasons already outlined on this board and in another recent thread countless times already (so I’m not going to do it again in this post). It’s not as though TBs haven’t won puissance competitions in the past at impressive heights. They were also winning GPs at international level in the 90s, over technical courses, and TBs are still competing at 1.6 level because a few people happened to stumble upon some with that kind of jumping talent.

[D_BaldStockings]

Congratulations on your 3 year old prospect, I hope she grows up to become a jumper or that she or her dam produce 1.6 or higher competing offspring and prove their pedigree.

Andy,
Congratulations on bringing a horse up to a superior performance level, this is always exciting and a joy to watch!

[D_BaldStockings]

Bayhawk,
Why doesn’t a Holsteiner hold the World High jump record?
There is nothing stopping a person setting up a jump to specifications or training a horse to go over it or meeting the regulation observers rules?

I am glad whenever a horse of any breed shows excellence in jumping.
Even better when they leave a legacy of offspring!

[D_BaldStockings]

Is your 3 year old one of Wiebke I’s (foaled 1984) descendants?

Would you share a summary of her or her dam Galina’s (foaled 1970) progeny’s (all generations) performance in competition?
I assume there were geldings or perfomance stallions produced along the way…

Thank you.

[tuckawayfarm]

[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;7621213]
Bayhawk,
Why doesn’t a Holsteiner hold the World High jump record?
There is nothing stopping a person setting up a jump to specifications or training a horse to go over it or meeting the regulation observers rules?

I am glad whenever a horse of any breed shows excellence in jumping.
Even better when they leave a legacy of offspring![/QUOTE]

Are you seriously asking why no one is attempting to break Huaso’s record or just being snarky?

That record was set in 1949 by a TB who wasn’t deemed capable of showjumping because he was too unrideable. It took two years of training to accomplish and the horse was retired immediately after.

It’s a really amazing statistic, but what would be the value of a horse like that? Holsteiner’s are bred for showjumping and it would be in nobody’s interest that I can see to waste a talented jumper on a publicity stunt. To break the record, one would have to jump 2.49m. Can’t imagine a responsible owner taking the risk.

[grayarabpony]

Huaso’s rideability isn’t an issue in the setting of the record. Breaking the record may be too dangerous to attempt, but nonetheless the record is an amazing achievement.