Holsteiner Stallion Carinjo wins St. Tropez

[tuckawayfarm]

[QUOTE=grayarabpony;7621471]
Huaso’s rideability isn’t an issue in the setting of the record. Breaking the record may be too dangerous to attempt, but nonetheless the record is an amazing achievement.[/QUOTE]

I believe Huaso’s rideability was directly related to his setting the record. From the accounts I have read, he was intended to be developed as a showjumper. If he hadn’t been so difficult, his career would have continued in that direction.

I doubt they would have pulled a competitive showjumper out of competition for two years to set a record over a single fence and then retire.

[grayarabpony]

So by your logic, his lack of rideability allowed him to jump that jump, and not his talent for jumping? His rider saw him jump a huge fence on his own and thus picked him up for the sole purpose of setting the high jump record.

[tuckawayfarm]

His jumping ability allowed him to set the record, after training specifically to do so for two years. Do you find it illogical that I doubt those two years would have been invested had he not been too difficult to succeed at showjumping?

[grayarabpony]

Um, he still would have been JUMPING, and anyway no one can take the accomplishment of that record away from him, even though you seem to be trying for some reason. So yes, I do find your “reasoning” to be illogical – and spiteful.

[vineyridge]

Also remember that Huaso was Chilean, a real hotbed of show jumping.

[tuckawayfarm]

[QUOTE=grayarabpony;7623322]
Um, he still would have been JUMPING, and anyway no one can take the accomplishment of that record away from him, even though you seem to be trying for some reason. So yes, I do find your “reasoning” to be illogical – and spiteful.[/QUOTE]

Yep, that’s why I kept a picture of him as a kid, out of spite. :lol: :lol:

No one has said Huaso couldn’t jump. Are you making up things to argue with? Kudos to his connections who found an appropriate outlet for his talent.

Viney, I hope you aren’t being sarcastic. Chile won silver in both team and individual at the 1952 Olympics, so they were obviously doing quite well in show jumping in that era.

[grayarabpony]

No, I’m not making up things to argue with, you’re doing just fine on your own. :lol: You posted on this thread for the sole purpose of arguing about Huaso. What does your keeping a picture of him have to do with your posts on this thread? How am I supposed to know you had a picture of him, as if that matters?

You do sound like you are trying to take credit away from him for that achievement. An achievement that still stands because it’s just so far out there.

No, viney was not being sarcastic.

[tuckawayfarm]

I brought up Huaso in response to the poster who inquired as to why a WB didn’t hold the world’s high jump record.

I have been fascinated by him since I was a kid. All that talent in such a difficult package, someone willing to channel it in a direction that made him a part of history… what’s not to love in that story

He was an amazing horse. He was useless for showjumping. I thought that might partially explain why upper level jumper breeders were not eager to break his record. No spite, just facts. Doesn’t take anything away from him or his record.

[grayarabpony]

I still don’t agree with the link between him being too hot for show jumping and the record, but OK.

I thought the record hasn’t been broken because 1) the height is nearly impossible and/or 2) it was thought to be too dangerous for a horse to attempt it again. It’s not as though there aren’t puissance specialists.

[vineyridge]

If the Wikipedia article is correct, his personality worked against him. It says he was too nervy and unruly to make a racehorse, was sold as a dressage horse and ended up with the Chilean military which tried to make a show jumper out of him. But he was still to nervy and unruly to be a successful show jumper, although he had the power and scope. Wiki also says that Franke Sloothakke (sp) set the puissance world record in 1994 at 7’10. And one would think a puissance would be harder than three tries at a single ramped jump.

[grayarabpony]

Viney no one said his personality didn’t work against him. The high jump was the best way to make use of his jumping ability. If he hadn’t been so difficult (and lame from an accident before he was tried at showjumping) it probably wouldn’t have taken him 2 years from the time his rider started working with him until he set the record.

Nevertheless his personality didn’t enable him to jump over 8 feet. He was 16 when he set the record and retired afterward.

If another horse could break that record it would have happened already. Is anyone still building wooden jumps for such a purpose anymore?

[stoicfish]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;7619169]
Doesn’t matter why…it’s history. Why was there prohibition ? Doesn’t matter , it’s history.

Quit acting like just because a TB jumped a couple jumps that were 1.80 meter in the Olympics with George Morris that it means they were the only ones that could have jumped that high. The Holsteiner Stallion Conte ( Canturo / Corrado I stamm 776 ) just won the 2.10 meter competition at Spruce Meadows a couple months back. Why didn’t a TB win ?

I have stated to you over and over that in this time in history , direct TB influence is all but finished. Now ,if you can put your extreme TB fanaticism aside , I will show you an example of them still having a major influence…just not directly.

I will use a mare that comes from my house. She was just awarded States Premium status , and invited to the Elite Mare Show in Holstein later this month with 66 other mares. She is 1 of the 67 best 3 yr old mares in Holstein this year.

Since you obviously have plenty of books and websites , you can decipher the blood in her pedigree and tell me what you see.

Connor / Carlos DZ / Acorado / Landgraf / Lord / Ramiro stamm 776.[/QUOTE]

I have seen a couple of Tb’s in the class over the years but they were beat out by a Wb.
And the six bar only goes as high as the last two horses. It doesn’t mean the last horse couldn’t go higher. 2.12m is the record at Spruce.
Britain’s record is 2.32 on a Trak. This is the country that breeds NH Tb’s.
Those horses are freaks, in a good way but doesn’t mean they are even achievable as part of a breeding program.

Would like to add that SJ is soo much more than a huge jump. It is cat like reflexes and a horse that wants to have a almost intuitive relationship with it’s rider. Prussian is fun to watch but not as much as SJ.
Like a long drive competition as in comparison to the game of golf.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=stoicfish;7624497]
I have seen a couple of Tb’s in the class over the years but they were beat out by a Wb.
And the six bar only goes as high as the last two horses. It doesn’t mean the last horse couldn’t go higher. 2.12m is the record at Spruce.
Britain’s record is 2.32 on a Trak. This is the country that breeds NH Tb’s.
Those horses are freaks, in a good way but doesn’t mean they are even achievable as part of a breeding program.[/QUOTE]

Agreed…an athlete is an athlete no matter their paper and yes ,a lot of freaks have come out of the UK