Holsteiner Verband Korung stallions

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=Noms;6599072]
This is sad when Wendy’s post celebrating a great breeding success, spirals into a banter from the unknowledgeable Holsteiner nay sayers.

Wendy accomplished this very great thing with Bayhawks inputs, he gave her the advice that if you would only listen to, maybe you could learn from.

The Holstein breeders have a recipe for breeding, that has taken, how long, to develop, it works.

Why continue to argue the point. I was going to respond to your original post but ,poof you edited before I got a chance to quote.[/QUOTE]

We have to have a little clarity here. Wendy bred this stallion all by herself with no input from me.

My input came when buying the mother. We discussed the mother and watched her first foal get approved as a Stallion by Clinton. Wendy stated she would like to have a filly from this mare ,and I made that happen. The breeder was a friend of mine so I arranged for Wendy to purchase the Coriano filly. She then did all the breeding herself.

[Noms]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6599194]
We have to have a little clarity here. Wendy bred this stallion all by herself with no input from me.

My input came when buying the mother. We discussed the mother and watched her first foal get approved as a Stallion by Clinton. Wendy stated she would like to have a filly from this mare ,and I made that happen. The breeder was a friend of mine so I arranged for Wendy to purchase the Coriano filly. She then did all the breeding herself.[/QUOTE]

Got it, did not mean to take away from Wendy, your input was the mother. A big contribution.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=Noms;6599212]
Got it, did not mean to take away from Wendy, your input was the mother. A big contribution.[/QUOTE]

Thanks , it’s a really good mare.

I know her Contender mother as well as her Laval I grandmother…top line of mares !

With Coriano dead and Contender out of service , I hope this will give Wendy an edge even if it’s needed. I have seen this beautiful Calido since he was born and even today , the Germans are raving about his type. He has enormous presence and beauty. Kudos to Wendy !

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=omare;6599188]
“If you have a mare who is 50% outcross with few or no duplicates to existing lines, the available sire pool would be far more than 20%, wouldn’t it?”

I guess my awkward point was that outcrossed mare will be presented to a C line stalllion and have a F1 with a C sire line.

But it seems it is known how to mix and match the c lines.

it certainly points out why one must think generationally in order (among other things) not to paint oneself into a genetic corner with your mare line.[/QUOTE]

You just need to be aware of the possible genetic box. Look at my mares I listed above. No genetic box in problems whatsoever.

[feather_river]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6599184]
Yes we do agree then. I understood you were saying there was too much C blood ? There is no such thing in my opinion.

yes ,they must gap it with A , R , L etc. and then they can go right back to it.

Diarado is showing up in his daughters. I think he had more on the elite mare show than any other sire. They had top rideability. I haven’t been impressed with the sons anywhere in Europe thus far.[/QUOTE]

He may turn out to be like Ramiro or Farn who were known in their time as producers of dams of jumping horses rather than known as stallion makers (not to say that they did not have some notable sons, just that there prominence in the breed during their times was in producing strong daughters who carried excellent genetics). I think Diarado’s strong suit is his mother’s side–now there is your 2 C lines on top of L and a double R. I am sure you would understand more about the mare Roxette than I do, but to me that is a powerful genetic pool.

For me, when evaluating a stallion as a potential sire for breeding to one of my mares, I always look heavily at his dam’s side, and at the dam’s side of his sire.

[Noms]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6599184]
Yes we do agree then. I understood you were saying there was too much C blood ? There is no such thing in my opinion.

yes ,they must gap it with A , R , L etc. and then they can go right back to it.

Diarado is showing up in his daughters. I think he had more on the elite mare show than any other sire. They had top rideability. I haven’t been impressed with the sons anywhere in Europe thus far.[/QUOTE]

Looking at the first few foal crops, he seems to be producing a very nice type for the hunters.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=Noms;6599918]
Looking at the first few foal crops, he seems to be producing a very nice type for the hunters.[/QUOTE]

You know I can’t speak to that NOMS…not my thing but I have seen some really nice Diarado’s , but I’m still not convinced. This is why I don’t own one nor have bred a mare to him…YET.

He was so hyped up and sold for a ton of money and he got lots of mares but I am very aware of his motherline. While it is very,very good…it is also difficult to breed with.

I prefer to let them do the homework first. In the meantime ,the by-products may be very good for our hunter markets as the things that I don’t like about him , seem to attract you. We’ll see.

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=feather river;6599886]
He may turn out to be like Ramiro or Farn who were known in their time as producers of dams of jumping horses rather than known as stallion makers (not to say that they did not have some notable sons, just that there prominence in the breed during their times was in producing strong daughters who carried excellent genetics). I think Diarado’s strong suit is his mother’s side–now there is your 2 C lines on top of L and a double R. I am sure you would understand more about the mare Roxette than I do, but to me that is a powerful genetic pool.

For me, when evaluating a stallion as a potential sire for breeding to one of my mares, I always look heavily at his dam’s side, and at the dam’s side of his sire.[/QUOTE]

Yep , he may well in fact be a mare producer. All the other stallions from this stamm are. Coriano , Corofino etc. Too early to tell yet but according to the elite mare ring this year it’s kinda looking like it.

[Noms]

[QUOTE=Bayhawk;6599928]
You know I can’t speak to that NOMS…not my thing but I have seen some really nice Diarado’s , but I’m still not convinced. This is why I don’t own one nor have bred a mare to him…YET.

He was so hyped up and sold for a ton of money and he got lots of mares but I am very aware of his motherline. While it is very,very good…it is also difficult to breed with.

I prefer to let them do the homework first. In the meantime ,the by-products may be very good for our hunter markets as the things that I don’t like about him , seem to attract you. We’ll see.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I like him very much, however there are a couple of things that stick out as not so good to me as well, but are probably ok for the hunters where the jumps are not that high .

Are you waiting to see if they figure out the right mare to take him to?

[Bayhawk]

[QUOTE=Noms;6599941]
Haha, I like him very much, however there are a couple of things that stick out as not so good to me as well, but are probably ok for the hunters where the jumps are not that high .

Are you waiting to see if they figure out the right mare to take him to?[/QUOTE]

Yeah , those in Holstein or familiar with Holstein knew what kind of mare to take him to before he ever bred the first one . Coriano , Corofino , Camiros…all the same.

The rest of Europe should try to ascertain this.

Those top mares in Holstein on the elite mare show were from his first foal crop. They knew how to use him right off the bat.

I’m waiting for the sons to show up that jump similar to the way he does. Until this happens , I don’t think I’m interested.