You have not even been to this place. How can you say something so mean?
You have not even been to this place. How can you say something so mean?
Oh boy…here we go… :rolleyes:
I hear that train a comin’
It’s rollin’ round the bend…
I would like to take this opportunity to point out it’s never too early in the day for wine. Carry on.
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I just find it very strange that she did not know what happened to her horse that she gave away. Now all of a sudden it is like she has to have him How can you give a pet away.
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FLAPUALG -I’m going to be kind since I’m sure there will be many others who won’t be. If you read the thread, all your questions will be answered.
MC Rescue could be the most perfect rescue on the planet…but this is a horse that obviously NEEDS something different than what they’re offering. Look at the pics taken of him when he arrived and now…it’s quite obvious that whatever they are doing for him IS NOT WORKING. . A quality rescue would recognize that and be happy to allow someone who is emotionally invested in the horse to give him his last home. Just sayin…
I find it very odd that you would say something like that. Obviously you have never been to this farm Every horse is different, with different needs. Everyday is a way to improve these horses lives.
You know what I find strange? These “caring” people have jumped on their high horse and decided he will live like a horse even if it kills him! OP wasn’t demanding him back. She was offering advice on how to help him. That was it. They decided they know better than anyone and that is that.
Since he does have someone that is willing and able to take him and provide him a home, why not empty up that space for another horse that really does need a home?
Really. Obviously you also have never been there.
My main point is before people say such hateful things about a group of people are a place that I don’t think it would be asking to much for them to actually go to the place that they are trashing.
Is that really asking a lot?
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First I would like to know a little bit more about this You say for the first 6 months he was fine, then you fast forward to 2 months ago. I am sorry what happened between all that time? Are you saying that you don’t know what happened to him? You did not know that he was abandoned at the boarding facility?
Your right should have continued to check on him each month. Assumed that after 6 moths of thriving and settling into new ownership the horse was well and if their were any issues she’d contact us.
Sorry I need to recap this as I get confused easily.
You gave up your horse. An animal that you said you loved you just gave that animal away. Is that correct? Then you stayed in touch with the person that you gave your beloved animal to for 6months but no longer. Why not? Why did you not check on this beloved animal of yours that you gave away?
So now it turns out the person you gave your beloved animal away to decided to board but not pay. Is this correct? So I am sure when you found out there was money owed to the boarding facility you stepped right in and offered to pay them to keep him there. Oh, you didn’t step right in and offer to help this beloved animal of yours that after 6 months you didn’t check on again?
Did not find out there were any issues with Max’s board until after he’d been sent to Mill Creek. No I would not have stepped up and paid his board I would have taken him back and offered Judy financial restitution for the time she cared for him.
I see. So now the horse goes to the Retirement Home. How many times have you actually been there? Oh None a Big Zero. So you really don’t know anything about the place. You mean you have been saying all these things about the place and the people and you actually have not gone there? Why Not? So from a picture you have decided to cast a smear campaign on a place you have never been to. Does that really seem fair? Would you like somebody judging you before they met you?
They are only open 11 to 3 on a work day for me. Max did have people checking on him. Hence the not so lovely pictures that were taken of him on Oct5th.
As far as the person providing supplements and paying this as you say a $50.00 “sponsorship” you say she has told you this horse is neglected.
No the horses condition tells me he is not thriving.
Well let me ask you something. You keep saying how heartbroken you are. How devastated you are. Yet you have not even gone there to see your old horse you gave away. Why not?
You say the people running it are old. Well guess what? They can run circles around me and I am 49. Do you know the history of this place? Obviously not.
These people have spent the last 30 years of their Retirement providing a place for these animals that have been abuse and neglected. In 30 years they have never taken a salary. There is one full time employee and the rest is an incredible, loyal and committed group of volunteers. Every Thursday and Saturday the volunteers groom every horse on the farm. That is over 140 horses that are taken out of their fields, checked over and groomed.
The sponsorship is meant to educate the public and help with the expenses. I find it pretty sad when you say that the person you know is paying $50.00. Do you honestly think a horse can be taken care of for $50.00 . NO it can not. That is where the volunteers, contributors and the owners come in.
I have offered financial assistance for Max to Pete
EVERY correspondence we’ve had all he had to do was tell me when and how much.
Those horse are bucket fed 2 times a day. They can graze on as much pasture as they want, rest under the huge 100 year old oak trees and enjoy their lives.
You are correct when you say they do not stable these horses. These horses get to run free and not be stuck in some hot barn with some fans blowing on them.
I find it pretty sad that you would rather see a horse killed. Especially when it is such a special animal to you.
Your right I would much rather see a horse given a peaceful and dignified end then allowed to waste away . Did you bother to look at the photos?
Saturdays they are open to the public from 1 till 3. The only charge to get in is to bring 2 carrots. I have been there on a Saturday when there were over 500 people there. I just find it so odd that out of everyone that has gone there that you are the only one that has had something bad to say.
I think before you keep making accusations against a group of people that have spent 30+ years helping these animals that maybe you should fly down and actually see your former horse.
The only thing I would ask is if you did do that to take the time that you have spent smearing this group and support this cause.
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Take a look at the “after” pictures of Max. That horse is clearly not thriving, and has in fact deteriorated to an alarming condition.
People here have stated repeatedly that they are not vilifying the owners of Mill Creek, but that clearly this horse is not doing well under their care and needs more specialized attention. Taking care of 140+ horses without a HUGE staff means that a horse who needs specialized care simply isn’t going to get it.
The environment Max is in is clearly not the best one for him. And his previous owner of 22 years who knows him better than anyone else is stepping up and trying to provide the ideal situation/care for him. That is all. And, yes, if Max is slowly starving to death, then I agree that euthanasia is certainly the kinder/more humane end to this guy’s life.
That was my point. If she knew him best then what happened to her not keeping up with the horse. I just can not imagine giving away a pet like that.
All I wanted to know was what happened from the first 6 months to jump forward 2 months ago.
How much time was in between.
The other point was why would she not actually go there and see her old horse? I mean really , why not go there and see the horse?
That’s all
Have you actually been reading the post? When you say they are not vilifying the owners?
Oh my gosh if that is not some mean things being said I don’t know what is.
Why don’t you come visit her horse and see for yourself?
If you note, I did not once trash the place. Lots of others even said it is a great place for most horses, just not this horse.
Why are they so insistent on holding on to him? He clearly has people that love him and would give him a home where he could live out his days. People who have more time to devote to the special care he so obviously needs.
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Oh boy…here we go… :rolleyes:
I hear that train a comin’
It’s rollin’ round the bend…
I would like to take this opportunity to point out it’s never too early in the day for wine. Carry on.[/QUOTE]
I’ve got the popcorn going, and am pulling out the blender for margaritas.
It is not worth trying to reason with crazy people. Let the horse be a horses is crazy speak for “I do not care about what the animal wants, I will force it to live the way I think it should live because I am a selfish crazy person”. I love when horses CHOOSE to live outside. It’s healthier and cheaper. It is not for every horse. Some just plain out don’t like it. When you refuse to acknowledge what the animal wants and insist it lives in the manner you dictate it shows a real lack of empathy for the animal. These types of people should not be permitted to own or care for animals at all as far as I am concerned. Horrible, selfish and cruel.
So your work on Saturdays?
Would you like to see your horse? Would you like me to try and set up a private session for you?
what you (&they) seem to not understand is that horse care isn’t one size fits all.
Different horses require different levels of care. What happens to horses in the wild who have special needs? They suffer and then die.
The great thing about horses in human care is that suffering should be eliminated.
When a horse is hopping, that isn’t how that horse gets around, that means the horse is in a lot of pain and incapable of moving as a horse normally does.
When two horses are living in a pasture and one is getting really fat and one is getting skinny, it means that the fat horse is eating the skinny horse’s food…a danger to them both.
Max is too skinny now. He wasn’t too skinny when he got there. Why not give him to someone who can care for his special needs?
So your work on Saturdays?
Would you like to see your horse? Would you like me to try and set up a private session for you?
Oh look, house guests have arrived.
Lynnwood I just want to say that I have a great deal of respect for you and how you are handling some of the responses here.
Flap, can you honestly look at those pictures and tell me that the horse is thriving???
The OP ran a lesson barn, has retired all her other oldsters to pasture board, but knew that that situation was not best for Max. So when someone who had known him for years & was aware of his special needs offered the ideal situation, she allowed him to be placed with her, WITH A CONTRACT OF FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL.
And she then kept track of him and saw that he was thriving for six months. The OP has done right by this horse for several decades and is continuing to attempt to do the same.
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That was my point. If she knew him best then what happened to her not keeping up with the horse. I just can not imagine giving away a pet like that.
All I wanted to know was what happened from the first 6 months to jump forward 2 months ago.
How much time was in between.
The other point was why would she not actually go there and see her old horse? I mean really , why not go there and see the horse?
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We didn’t give away a pet. We made a rational choice to allow someone who had a long standing relationship with the horse adopt him because he would not thrive in a typical retirement situation(sound familiar)
The horse had a return at any time clause. Why that women chose to do what she did I do not know. She is also the ONLY person I am vilifying.
I work on Saturdays’ when I inquired with Peter about visiting the horse the only option given to me was Saturdays. Weekdays have to be after 3pm which means at least 5pm because I am 2 plus hrs away.
